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Post by Henrik on Jun 11, 2003 10:55:57 GMT -5
No offense racerx, but you might indeed need a chill pill there...
The way I see it, worshipping god, any god, has brought a hell of a lot more death and misery and evil to the world through the ages than worshipping the dollar has...
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Post by RacerX on Jun 11, 2003 11:06:25 GMT -5
Henrik, you might be right...very right, but I say it wasn't the religion, but the idiot interpreting their version of religion. LOL, did that make any sense?
I've got to run, but I promise more later....
Thanks, RacerX
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Post by Srrh on Jun 11, 2003 12:32:37 GMT -5
I have to agree with Henrik here...Ossama didn't act because of the dollar...nor does Hammas...
You can't argue with fanatics...and "God" has much more of these then the dollar does...
How can you sit down and talk to someone who claims he talks directly to "God" and has THE answer to the meaning of life, death and everything...? You can't. Most organised religions as we know them, bring about intelctual close mindedness...
As for the "chosen people"....if you liked one of your kid more then the others, would you tell him? ?No... that would make you a pretty bad father. But "God" did it to "his people"? Thus bringing about milleniums of Antisemitism on them ?
I think the old testament (and the Jewish faith in general) are amazingly snob. To assert "you are chosen" also asserts others aren't. How conviently elitist...
I think the Jewish fait is to religion, what Zionism is to politics...and it is not really a coincidence...d'uh!
I remain Everyone's brother Srrh
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Post by daSilva on Jun 11, 2003 13:06:59 GMT -5
Henrik and Srrh,
You blame it on God but it is actually a matter of education. If a child is taught to hate somebody he is taught by a person not by God, if that person tells the child money and hate is everything eventually the child will believe it.
It is a matter of hate not of God. No religion teaches people to hate, only people teach people to hate.
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Post by Srrh on Jun 11, 2003 13:57:33 GMT -5
You blame it on God but it is actually a matter of education. Actually, I can't blame it on someone I don't bleieve in. I blame it on man, with his greed, his thirst for power, and his general disdain for life. s.
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Post by Srrh on Jun 11, 2003 14:04:03 GMT -5
No religion teaches people to hate, only people teach people to hate. Oh yea ? You know who owns the following puke: www.godhatesfags.com/main/....a fucking church.... And there are hundreds more like it...muslim clerics bitchin about jews and catholics, catholic congregations bitchin about jews and muslim, Jewsish organisation holding the views of the KKK but about arabs... The hate of gays, women, artists, minorities.... Must I remind you the symbol of the Klan is a burning cross... s.
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Post by daSilva on Jun 11, 2003 14:14:15 GMT -5
Again I reiterate, people have created all of that hate in God's name not God.
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Post by Henrik on Jun 11, 2003 14:17:32 GMT -5
Henrik and Srrh, You blame it on God but it is actually a matter of education. If a child is taught to hate somebody he is taught by a person not by God, if that person tells the child money and hate is everything eventually the child will believe it. It is a matter of hate not of God. No religion teaches people to hate, only people teach people to hate. Actually I don't blame it on god, and as Srrh said, how could I blame it on what I consider a fictional character. I blame it on the worship of a god, and thus blame it on man. Basically I do not beleive for one instance that by letting religion drive a the way a country is governed will produce better results, or peace for that matter. I have known several religious people who are very tolerant, but I know of few really tolerant religions....
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Post by RacerX on Jun 11, 2003 19:43:45 GMT -5
You guys are kind of proving my point...
As for Osama...LOL, you bet your arse he did it for the money! What did he attack? The biggest CAPITOLIST SYMBOL of the BIGGEST CAPITOLIST country & of the free world!!! LOL.
Anyway, my bitch about the CEO's worshipping the dollar was aimed at my country, the US, not the countries in general.
But back to religion...I know I can even confuse the matter worse, because I referred to my Christianity as a religion. MY mistake. In previous posts I've noted the difference between RELIGION & a relationship with God. I think it's very important to note that, because man made religion. I do think there's a difference, and thus agree w/ Henrik about religion killing more than the dollar.
I bet they're both pretty close, if you look at all the people killed in this world over GREED for more: more money, more land, more power, more....just plain old greed!
That's what I ment by worshipping the Mighty Dollar! In that sense, I'm guessing it's a toss up between deaths by man's perversion of their God's word versus deaths by the greedy looking for more.
Question, (I'm not very good at history, but...) wasn't the Spanish Enquisition all about converting people to Catholicism? It seems alot like Islam is today. It seems alot of Islamic leaders have decided that everyone will either convert to being a good muslim, or they must die.
Look at the fights taking place ALL OVER the freaking world. The Muslims in the Phillipines, the Muslims in Russia & surrounding areas, the Muslims in the Middle East, the Muslims all over Africa...it's funny, but Islam started about 700 years after Christianity, and it seems they too are now going through their own form of the "Spanish Enquisition."
I hope like hell THAT made sense, if not...then I better go brush up on my history...LOL.
Anyway, if this has offended any fellow Muslims here at SC, then please accept my apology. I'm just pointing out the similarities, and how they almost coincide in the "age" of said religions. This isn't to be infferred as an attack on Islam, but more like an attack on it's fanatics. Does that make sense? OK, later...of course if my "Spanish Enquisition" comment offended any Catholics here, then that too is by accident. Think of it as an attack on the fanatic Catholics of the time! ;-)
Wuff...you all be good, RacerX
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Post by Danny Boy on Jun 11, 2003 22:30:16 GMT -5
RacerX; if you read the Bible (New Testament) and believe that JC was sent back to save the World?
1) Who did JC constantly warn the people about? 2) Who lied and cheated to get JC topped? 3) Where are the descendents of those people now?
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Post by Topcontender on Jun 12, 2003 0:17:07 GMT -5
OK this Hamas group is mental. yes i understand the situation, but these guys won't be happy with any kind of negotiation.
The new pal PM is getting good press over here. Arafat is looked at as an old radical that used terrible means to get the job done. unfortunealty we got another radical in sharone heading the other side.
I say seperate the fools and build a f-ing wall between them.
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Post by S2hr on Jun 12, 2003 7:35:48 GMT -5
RacerX; if you read the Bible (New Testament) and believe that JC was sent back to save the World? 1) Who did JC constantly warn the people about? 2) Who lied and cheated to get JC topped? 3) Where are the descendents of those people now? 1)The merchants of the temple and the religious establishment. 2)The Jewish religious hiarchy 3)........stop the press........ Dear DB, About question 3: who cares !!!! If you comdemn someone because he is the son or daughter of someone else you are an idiot/biggot. One can only be responsible for his/her own action. Punishing the jews because they are the descendants of a Deicide, is pretty much what the Nazi held true. On the other hand, maybe that is not what you were asking at all... Say it ain't so.... I remain s. PS Germany attacked my country less then a generation ago...never stoped me from living there...How do you think one should feel about events that MAYBE happened 2000 years ago? I think we should forget about it...certainly not hold any grudges.
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Post by Henrik on Jun 12, 2003 8:08:45 GMT -5
Srrh,
I agree totally with what you say there.
However, what do we then do about this quote from RacerX:
You can't really apply the history for one thing and then not the other. Being selective is probably not the right answer....
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Post by Wycco on Jun 12, 2003 9:00:05 GMT -5
If you comdemn someone because he is the son or daughter of someone else you are an idiot/biggot. One can only be responsible for his/her own action. I really do not want or intend to hijack this thread and send it on a different tangent... But I would just like to point out: This is EXACTLY what I've been saying about affirmative action. - why reparations for slavery is wrong- and why evil whities should not be punnished in the US for something his ancestors might have done.... Sorry about that- back to the conversation at hand- I just wanted to point out that what is true for Jews is also true for the white people in America.
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Post by Danny Boy on Jun 12, 2003 9:53:56 GMT -5
Srrh; The question was based on RacerX's assumption that "The Bible tells us that those of the Jewish faith are his (God's) chosen people, and that those whom support them will be blessed." The answer to all 3 is "The Pharisees" and if “God” had another son to spare he would be sending him back down to earth, because the descendents of those people (the Pharisees) are as evil now, as they were then. If you want to find them, look no further than the leaders of, the Banking industry, the Media/Movie industry, the Organized Crime industry and the Arms industry. This is not a condemnation of the Jewish race, however, it is a condemnation of a certain sect that have total control of all Jewish dogma. If I do have a problem with the Jewish race, it is that they are, with a few notable exceptions, unwilling to stand up and speak out against what is perceived as their mainstream.
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