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Post by Mo on Apr 15, 2003 16:15:06 GMT -5
[saracasm]Oh yes of course all of the world's evil is because of the Americans supporting the Jews, I mean no Muslim would do what his Ayatollah told him what to do. It really is too bad that Hitler didn't succeed in wiping the vermin off the face of the planet[/saracasm] The anti-semetic fervor on this site fucking disgusts me to no end. I don't think I am being anti-semitic. But I still find the attitude of the IDF offensive and mostly criminal. When the whole drama of war is focused in the middle east, I think it is better to focus on what's being going on there (for eons!) The biblical 12 tribes still fighting within themselves and the rest of the world now condemned to be participants and offer their pound of flesh too...
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Post by Henrik on Apr 15, 2003 16:22:42 GMT -5
Sorry you feel that way da Silva, but I don't really see any particular anti-semetic fervor in the previous posts.
If I refer to my posts in the thread I think I really only mentioned what is generally considered as facts. There is absolutely no anti-semetic fervor in what I believe or what I say. I criticize Israel on many occasions because I do not agree with a number of their actions, primarily those ordered by and carried out by their government or army. It has nothing to do with their religious inclination. In that case, because I criticize also say Saddam does that imply that I am racist against Moslems? When I criticize Bush does that imply I am racist against Catholics?
I don't mind if people disagree with my opinions, and certainly enjoy a good argument, but I simply can't accept if somebody says that I am anti-semetic or racist!
When I say that the Jewish community has a lot of influence in the US do you feel this is an anti-semetic comment? Perhaps I am incorrect in my statement, but it was my understanding that they do. I'm not judging the Jewish community, simply stating what I think is the case.
Sorry for the tone, and also sorry if your comment did not include my posts.
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Post by who on Apr 15, 2003 17:19:23 GMT -5
The jews all vote according to the way their rabbi suggests. Now you're really ridiculous.
Reading some of the posts here there does appear to be a particularly negative tone against Israel and Jews. All tied in to some great conspiracy. It seems that some here (e.g. danny) fear the Jews are running the world. Others appear to agree to lesser degrees.
Some of the talk about Jews i've read here i'm sure would cause outrage if the group in question was not jews. Replace jews with blacks, or arabs and read some posts again and you may see.
Henrik, from what I have read of your posts, while I can see that you have been critical of Israel I dont consider your posts to be anti semetic at all.
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Post by justan on Apr 15, 2003 20:30:35 GMT -5
da Silva you're just pissed because so far Joseph isn't doing it Have a beer lol Whew glad he left and Eddie came on board
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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 15, 2003 22:35:00 GMT -5
Da_silva has a blind spot on anything regarding the jewish people or israel. Any derogatory comments about the afore mentioned people, he throws his arms up and shouts "holocaust". There have been many acts of genocide throughout mankind’s history, thankfully, other victims of equally evil act of genocide, have managed to live with it and get on with their lives. I have no idea what da_silva will do if Jacque Villenevue is ever sponsored by the “Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade”.
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Post by Topcontender on Apr 15, 2003 22:46:11 GMT -5
I still can't see why we tripeled Israel's budget. if we put in some expensive missle system i could see, but this is not the case.
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Post by Henrik on Apr 16, 2003 3:25:36 GMT -5
To All of You,
We will not be able to have a good debate if we retort to attacking other posters. As always, the politiks section is delicate, and we all become emotionally involved as I believe that to contribute here one must have a fairly clear opinion to start with.
Step back a second, cool down, and then post a response stating your opinion, avoiding personal attacks or insults.
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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 16, 2003 4:09:35 GMT -5
Henrik: I don't think this thread has degenerated! and don't have a problem with people not accepting my theries. I am sure that if you ask da_silva he will say he gets emotional on this particular subject. This is after all, both politics and religion all in one. It does not mean that I, or others, do not respect or like him, or other posters on this site. As I have said before, if you all have the same thoughs on a subject it would be boreing.
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Post by Henrik on Apr 16, 2003 4:22:04 GMT -5
Dannyboy, Actually I was making the comment in general, particularly as we have seen threads about Israel spin out of control in the past, and I really wanted to try and avoid it this time. If I feel personally attacked I tend to send a PM to the author of the post rather than post the response on the forum. I made an exception in this thread as I think it is important to make it clear that I am as far away from being a racist as one could possibly be. It's almost lunch time, so
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propaganda
Minnow
I dont believe a word they say.
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Post by propaganda on Apr 16, 2003 6:07:12 GMT -5
I have an Intellectual question to ask of you all;
Do you believe that you must like everyone and everything?
Surely not. As individuals, we have the right to like, love dislike and despise whom and what we wish. This is how we determine friends, lovers and partners of a personal, business or of a social kind.
Within the world we live in today, political correctness is reaching our world from every angle, and now we meant to pacify language, culture and belief in the best interest of humankind in general.
Racism, Bigotry, Anti-semitism even homophobia is all wrong in the world of the politically correct. In fact, nothing can be said at all to isolate or single out an individual feeling, opinion or difference that is clearly obvious, or allows for social-seperation.
So, dear forum contributors what shall it be? I for one believe that I shall like whom and what I want to like, and nothing and no-one can stop me from liking disliking who or what I want.
Is this not the quintessential essence that makes us individuals?
So, back to the point I am trying to make. I am partially racist, I am partial to Ant-semitism and i may be homophobic. So what? It does not make me lesser a person. My views are my views. If I respect yours, why cant you respect mine?
In fact, If i can accept that you are not any of these above-mentioned views, yet I am not offended by the fact that you are or are not of a similar view, That can not make lesser of an individual. It means I am open-minded, yet have passionate views on certain issues, and have generally made up my mind on certain things.
Perpective is one thing. Opinions and beliefs are another.
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propaganda
Minnow
I dont believe a word they say.
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Post by propaganda on Apr 16, 2003 6:08:31 GMT -5
And by the way, I have worked out who Who Wonis!
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Post by Henrik on Apr 16, 2003 7:07:55 GMT -5
Propaganda,
In my opinion, we have the right to like or dislike whoever we want. I really don't have a problem with that at all.
However, and again this is my opinion, I am against racist or ant-semetists etc. primarily because that is a generalisation. Through my experiences and through the people I have met, there are white and black and yellow and red etc aethists that I like and others that I don't like. This holds true for all combinations that you can imagine, be it nationality, race religion. As such, because there is a Dutch guy I really don't like, I can't say I don't like the Dutch people, or when I see a Dutch guy do something stupid say "typical stupid Dutch!".
My belief is that all nationalities, races, ethnics etc have great people and monsters as well. It is not the race, nationality, ethnic that makes them this way, but rather their own individual personalities. As such I will always disagree with racists.
If you say you are racist or homophobic, I am sorry but I can't really respect that opinion because you are essentially saying that all people of a same race are all alike, or that all homosexuals are alike, and that is impossible.
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Post by daSilva on Apr 16, 2003 11:25:56 GMT -5
The post was not directed at anybody and I apologise if anybody took it the wrong way. I feel that there is an inordinant amount of US/Israel animosity here. Frankly I feel that the Arabs and the Israelis are as responsible as each other for the current lack of peace in the region, but I feel I must defend Israel as the majority have tended to side with the Arabs. Personally I'm not sure how you negotiate with people who are willing to sacrifice themselves for their God in the name of hatred for others, but I suppose thats exactly what makes this such a difficult issue. Someone mentioned education as the solution, I would tend to agree with that as difficult as it may be, and the generations it would take to dispell the old ideas. I disagree with Israels policy of occupation but aside from that they are only maintaining self preservation, again I don't agree with all of their methods but I have never had to defend myself from religious zealots bent on destruction of anyone or anything.
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Post by Mo on May 20, 2003 13:40:24 GMT -5
The family of Thomas Hurndall are collecting £25000 necessary to bring his comatose body back to the UK. Even after being declared clinically dead, his body is being kept 'alive' because allegedly his heart and lungs are acting on their own. However, it's been claimed that he is unable to breathe on his own and has lost “50 per cent of his grey matter” but would not have his life support machine switched off. “In Israel you cannot legally switch the machine off. He would be expected to deteriorate himself.” In the UK yesterday, In the mean time, the Israeli government wash their collective hands once again, and has ordered any foreigners entering the region to sign a waiver of responsibility, in case they are shot at or killed in the region.
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Post by Srrh on May 20, 2003 14:44:05 GMT -5
To all of you, Right. Where should I start ? Copyright f1-live.com S....
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