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Post by srrhlosthisoriginalpost on Feb 19, 2003 16:57:01 GMT -5
Wyc: Hell No.
Something is or isn't. "Believing" is a conciencious action to ACT AS IF something existed. Which intices that you could also have chosen not to believe ie NOT ACT AS IF. Thus God "existence" depends on the believe he generates. It is commonly known as fait (or hope) Not so in the Muslim world, where it doesn't matter wherether you believe or not in god: GOD IS.
It is one of the great semantic devide betwen Muslims and catholics: that is why Muslims still consider Catholics as "infidels"
I had previously written a lengthy answer to this but the board ate it up. Now that's faith.
S..h
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Post by smokingun on Feb 20, 2003 0:00:59 GMT -5
I'll be civil if you will As to sitting down at your church, no thanks, I don't go to churches. I think these conversations can take place anywhere, no? I've never been to India so I'm checking flight fares, and if your god really wants me to meet you, I'll land the money one way or another.......just kidding and pulling your leg. hehe, "smokingun" is just a name. sure these discussions can take place anywhere. (deleted by smokingun) smokingun
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 20, 2003 0:25:30 GMT -5
SG; What problem do you have with dolphins being happy??? For the record; I do not take drugs whilst in Bahrain, as I feel to do so would be a abuse of the trust my Bahraini partner puts in me.
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Post by smokingun on Feb 20, 2003 1:19:14 GMT -5
SG; What problem do you have with dolphins being happy??? For the record; I do not take drugs whilst in Bahrain, as I feel to do so would be a abuse of the trust my Bahraini partner puts in me. sorry Danny Boy, it was a joke, but it is a poor joke if you don't find it funny. i'll delete that post. once again you have my sincere apologies. smokingun
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Post by smokingun on Feb 20, 2003 1:25:38 GMT -5
the delete button didn't work, so i just modified the offensive post and edited out the part you didn't like Danny Boy. i hope that clears things up.
smokingun
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Post by RacerX on Feb 20, 2003 18:06:57 GMT -5
greg99,
You can blame some of the bad in this world on God...
There are several occasions in the Bible, where God punished people for disobedience. Look at the flood? That wiped out civilization comlpetely...
Funny note on the "Flood"...in a class at school once, my prof was opinting out similarities of many different religions. Did you know that he listed dozens, that all made referrence to a great flood? Up to, an including several tribes of Native American Indians! Something about a great Chief made a canoe for him and his wife & kids...etc, etc...and when the water subsided, the canoe lodged on a tree and they came down the great tree through a knot whole.
Kind of strange, no?
Anyway, I find it cool that soo many different religions have many stories of similarities.
But, back to your original point, God does punish people. There's also the story of Soddam & Gomorah, where Lott & his wife were told to leave & not look back.
Sure enough, he destroyed Both cities, and when Lot's wife looked back (as she was told not to do) she was turned to a pile of salt.
There are many more that I could list, but I think these get the point across. God is a just & loving God, but he demands obedience.
Just some more thoughts...
Later, RacerX
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 20, 2003 22:59:43 GMT -5
RacerX; It will be called global warming next time "A Flood" happens. The same reason as any flood in the past, it is just that this time we, the people, will have scientific knowledge to understand what is happening.
Srrh; Not wanting to belittle or trivialize your experience; the same thing has happened to me on drugs. I have also seen a man with his arm ripped of,f quite conscious and articulately, giving directions on how to get out of the area and how to get to the nearest hospital. The Body is an amazing thing can go to extraordinary lengths to protect itself.
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 20, 2003 23:05:06 GMT -5
The thing that links all religions, is that they promise “life after death,” the very thing most people fear the most. Bit like a woman’s magazine promising “weight loss and the perfect body in only 10 minutes daily”. Both are (IMHO) total bullshit, but it is what their target figures want to hear.
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Post by smokingun on Feb 20, 2003 23:21:27 GMT -5
RacerX; It will be called global warming next time "A Flood" happens. The same reason as any flood in the past, it is just that this time we, the people, will have scientific knowledge to understand what is happening. and why is it that an act of God be such that it disobeys the laws of science as we know it??? smokingun
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 21, 2003 1:57:51 GMT -5
SG; What act
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Post by Wycco on Feb 21, 2003 11:26:22 GMT -5
RacerX, regarding the flood myth (don't mean myth as an offense- just in many of its tellings it clearly is a myth)- there may actually be a reasonable explanation for it. I do believe all the "Old World" flood myths are related to the same incidence. There are a number of connections between each retelling. For example- Noah is the shorthand name in Hebrew for the name of the charachter in the Sumarian flood myth- now in the Sumarian telling of the story there are different Gods that come into play- but the idea is very similar. But lets ignore the myth part of it- and goto the archaeologists explanation of the flood myths... ...Now a short time before the Sumarian culture began to flourish, the black sea formed- basically, there were a thin line of hills between the mediterranean and a fertile plain that is now covered by the black sea. For the time period we are talking about- this soon to be doomed area, was relatively densely populated. There is fairly strong archaeological evidence (don't ask me specifically- I'm not an archaeologist! ) that the mediterranean had been eroding the hills South West of what is now the black sea, for many hundreds of years- until finally it burst through- and the entire force of the mediterranean came rushing through to the (below sea level) land that is now the black sea. There are thousands of ancient little villages dotted at the bottom of the black sea. It is my belief- that it is this event that the flood stories in the old world come from.
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Post by Wycco on Feb 21, 2003 11:32:32 GMT -5
Regarding flood myths in the new world... I'm not familiar with the flood myth you tell; however, I do know the Aztecs had a version of the flood myth- but in their telling of the myth no one survived. Basically what happened according to Aztec mythology was- whenever the Gods became exceptionally pissed off with man, they would wipe them all out and start all over again. They believed that the Gods had wiped out mankind several times (can't remember the exact number)- each time the Gods would exterminate mankind in a different way- fire, flood, you name it- they had a way to kill those little Mexicatl tribes! I'm fairly sure that major floodings must have happened in the new world as well as the old world- and a flood that wipes out whole villages is likely to be remembered a long-long time- and eventually be made into a myth.
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Post by Srrh on Feb 21, 2003 13:30:53 GMT -5
Srrh; Not wanting to belittle or trivialize your experience; the same thing has happened to me on drugs. I have also seen a man with his arm ripped of,f quite conscious and articulately, giving directions on how to get out of the area and how to get to the nearest hospital. The Body is an amazing thing can go to extraordinary lengths to protect itself. That's not me. That's da silva. I am one of those infidel and total unbeliever....actually, I believe shit happens...and then you die.'And I beleive in Rousseau's social contrat. Otherwise, I've seen my future and it's called compost. S..
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Post by daSilva on Feb 21, 2003 13:42:25 GMT -5
Otherwise, I've seen my future and it's called compost. S.. Otherwise known as to believers "the hell express".
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Post by RacerX on Feb 21, 2003 17:16:20 GMT -5
Wycc,
Thanks. I'd actually seen a program on the discovery channel explaining the same concept! It was a pretty cool show.
Danny Boy, I don't think we'll have another flood! ;-) (at least not a world wide one, that destroys the population of Earth.)
greg99, here's the verse I was so trying to remember from my last post:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I the Lord, do all these things.
I would guess this is God saying he's responsible for Good & Bad. If someone's saying God does all the good, and man does all the evil, they're fooling themselves.
You all be good, and have a great week-end!
later, RacerX
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