|
Post by Topcontender on Jan 16, 2003 23:39:30 GMT -5
Do us Yankees have a chance, or will we get our ass kicked again!!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by raptor22 on Jan 17, 2003 6:40:19 GMT -5
Well your Oracle USA 76 is agood boat but suffers from to muchmanagement intervention. Peter Holmberg (swede) is an excellent helmsman and Chris Dickson is an excellent helmsman / tactician. It was proved very early in the series thatthe boat had most success with Holmber on the wheel and Dickson as Tactician. Yet somehow the idiot who runs that syndicate still feele the need to swop them round every so often.
USA 76 (oracle is 1-4 down to Alinghi at the moment and looking like they're out, being outsailed by Russell Coutts and Brad Butterworth.
Win or loose the Kiwis have definately played the starring role in this America's cup. They are on every winning boat.
By this time tomorrow we should know if Oracle still has a chance or not. it's a best of 5 series.
|
|
|
Post by Danny Boy on Jan 17, 2003 7:46:39 GMT -5
Raptor It is the first to 5 and the best of 9. sorry to be pickey.
|
|
|
Post by CFF on Jan 17, 2003 13:17:54 GMT -5
Oracle certainly have dug themselves a deep pit. I don't think they have much of a chance to come back and win 4 straight. After watching the last race, all I can conclude is that Oracle needs light winds for all remaining races, combined with superior tactics.
One of the Oracle team was quoted as saying (tactician Tommaso Chieffi): "We can still win it. I remember the series in 1992 (when he was with Il Moro di Venezia) when we came back from 4-1 down and still won the Louis Vuitton Cup."
CFF
|
|
|
Post by CFF on Jan 19, 2003 13:46:19 GMT -5
Well ... so much for ORACLE. They looked like they might have had a chance (even with their penalty) on the first beat of Sunday's race, but Alinghi was simply too good.
I got a kick out of the 'Tech Tidbit' they did on Oracle and their tactician's sunglasses. BWM provided him with the same technology Ralf has been linked to (tiny data screen that swings into his field of vision, allowing him to observe instrumentation while looking fore and aft).
CFF
|
|
|
Post by raptor22 on Jan 19, 2003 15:31:34 GMT -5
anny,
Is'nt first to 5 and best of 9 the same thing worded differently??
CFF> Yes it looks like they're out. Alinghi have been making modifications to their SUI-78 oat, probably similar to the kiwi's Hula. We'll se ina few days which boats are selected to race. Alinghihave to announce their challenger soon.
It was an valiant effort by Oracle but In the end I think they were overcome by better sailing. Alinghi made fewer mistakes and were always prepared for any eventuality.
it's going to be a tight final...
|
|
|
Post by Henrik on Jan 19, 2003 17:49:29 GMT -5
I thought they already announced the boat as they must use the same boat as the LV finals.
Not sure about the regulations, but that's what I thought.
|
|
|
Post by Danny Boy on Jan 19, 2003 22:10:52 GMT -5
As I said; to my understanding the best of 5 would be the first to 3. As I say, I am not being picky just trying to clarify the situation.
|
|
|
Post by raptor22 on Jan 20, 2003 4:08:53 GMT -5
ahhh yes i see my typo. It should be first to 5 series, thanks for highlighting that . Henrik, it is my understanding that they are allowed to make further modifications, but it seems imisinterpreted the protocols onm another website. This is the official wording which clarifies the situation. It seem after the challenger series has been concluded, if the challenger and defender has selected two yachts then 4 days prior to the commencement of the AC finals those syndicates must select the yacht they will sail in for those finals. Since Alinghi only nominated SUI-64 it seems they will be racing her in the America's Cup Finals. Team New Zealand may stilll choose between NLZ -81 and NZL-82 as defender. P R O T O C O L : 3 1st A M E R I C A ' S C U P 7.1 RNZYS and the Challenger of Record shall: (a) name the Yacht Clubs and their respective yachts which will participate in the finals of the Challenger Selection Series, and the finals of the Defender Selection Series, if there is one, at least four clear days prior to the first race of the finals in which they are to participate; and (b) have each nominated yacht involved in a public unveiling ceremony on an agreed date at least three clear days prior to the first race of those finals. 7.2 if there is no Defender Selection Series then RNZYS shall nominate one or two yachts which will be involved in a public unveiling ceremony on the agreed date of the public unveiling of the yachts participating in the Challenger Selection Series. 7.3 In addition, the challenging and defending yachts for the Match shall be involved in a public unveiling ceremony which shall be held three clear days prior to the first day of the Match. Prior to the date of that ceremony both the challenging and defending yachts must have been through the official pre-match measurement provided for in Article 8 and have been accepted by RNZYS as Challenger and Defender for the Match. If RNZYS nominated only one yacht under Article 7.2, that yacht shall be the defending yacht. If it nominated two yachts, it shall select, in its absolute discretion, one of those two yachts to be the defending yacht. 7.4 Underbodies may be shrouded until the yachts have been measured, accepted, and unveiled for the finals in a Selection Series or, in the case of defending yachts if there is no Defender Selection Series, until the public unveiling ceremony prior to the finals of the Challenger Selection Series. 7.5 Underbodies may not be shrouded again after the yachts have been so unveiled until in the case of a challenging yacht, the conclusion of the final race in the Challenger Selection Series and, in the case of a defending yacht, the conclusion of the final race in the Defender Selection Series, if there is one, or if not the earlier of (i) the conclusion of the final race of the Challenger Selection Series, and (ii) the eighth day after of the day on which the first race in that Selection Series was scheduled to be held. 7.6 After the challenging and defending yachts have been unveiled for the Match, they may not be shrouded again until after the conclusion of the Match. 7.7 If RNZYS is the eventual winner of the Match, it shall continue the common declaration provisions of this Article 7 so long as it continues to hold the America's Cup. If a Challenger is the eventual winner of the Match, it shall continue the common declaration provisions of this Article 7 so long as it continues to hold the America's Cup.
|
|
|
Post by greg99 on Feb 15, 2003 16:06:28 GMT -5
Team NZ - Alinghi 0-1
Sorry JWK....... ;D
|
|
|
Post by eso on Feb 15, 2003 16:57:29 GMT -5
Shit, I didn't know the finals had started already!
These boats are the F1 cars of wind power. Aren't they beautiful?
With the New Zealanders behind the Alinghi Challenge, it really has become a multinational corporate challenge than a gentleman's yachting competition. The paralelles with F1 are vary close in that regard...
eso
|
|
|
Post by Danny Boy on Feb 16, 2003 7:38:19 GMT -5
More excitement in race 2 than you will get in a F1 race this year, me thinks.
|
|
|
Post by greg99 on Feb 16, 2003 9:01:28 GMT -5
Team NZ - Alinghi 0-2
|
|
|
Post by daSilva on Feb 16, 2003 11:53:46 GMT -5
Hahaha looks like the Americas Cup IS going to be in a pond next time.
|
|
|
Post by raptor22 on Feb 16, 2003 19:09:24 GMT -5
it ain't over till the fat whale is belly up
|
|