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Post by pabs on Jan 29, 2003 11:52:54 GMT -5
I have gone down from 5-7 cigarrettes a day to being a social smoker, which means I only smoke when I drink. I have also noticed that now I am drinking more often ;D
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Post by glendo on Jan 31, 2003 2:40:18 GMT -5
holy cow, did i start something here or what! many, many points of conversation i would love to reply to, but i need one more piece of info from the shamu masses: how many of you have tried/taken illegal drugs? of course i know you have Deadcat!
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Post by pabs on Jan 31, 2003 3:52:32 GMT -5
Well, if you count underage drinking/smoking as being illegal then I guess I have. Aside from that, I guess caffeine is also in my list of drugs of choice.
You see, I have seen my country destroyed by drug traffic and I truly, deeply believe that I would be betraying the memory of countless judges, cabinet members, soldiers, and other innocent people if I did. At the personal level, I come from a military family so many people in my immediate family have also fought or are currently fighting that war. What would I be if I ever tried the same drugs that my own family is fighting against? Let alone the fact that drugs are still illegal substances and for the sole reason they should not be used.
I am not saying that I have never done anything wrong. Don't get me wrong, I am no moralist. I just happen to have a very strong opinion on the subject.
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Post by smokingun on Jan 31, 2003 5:47:23 GMT -5
What I meant to say about those documentaries is that they have been made for the purpose of convincing people that smoking marijuana is bad. Sure, some of their findings may perhaps be true if one consumes some very large quantities, but I think it is fair to say that you will never be able to present any medical evidence that casual smoking will seriously damage your brain. Again, I believe alcohol in similar quantities will actually produce more damage. i don't think so Henrik, from what i remember that was more of a reportive documentary rather than a campaign. the program i think was called "focus asia" a weekly or daily news program. i get to watch it on the weekend only so can't be sure. there was a bunch of long term users sitting around looking daft, and that was attributed to long term use of smoking pot. the screen name smokingun btw has nothing to do with the fact that i smoke or as i like to think now, used to smoke smokingun
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Post by smokingun on Jan 31, 2003 5:54:52 GMT -5
Well, if you count underage drinking/smoking as being illegal then I guess I have. ditto for me as well. though i have quit drinking altogether. i now consider nicotine as dope, and am trying my best to break that addiction. i donno if i'l succeed or not, but this this here thread has certainly made a difference. pabs, your countrymen and you have my best wishes. which is perfectly justified. relax you are not alone. smokingun
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Post by Wycco on Jan 31, 2003 9:32:41 GMT -5
how many of you have tried/taken illegal drugs? I know I've told everyone on Shamu about my evil ex- girlfriend (well she was girlfriend at the time.).. Not the evil ex who used to go through drivethru's naked with me- the German one... Highschool, Senior year '95, dating a German exchange student from Dresden. She was the first girl who I ever took out more than one time. She cheated- she lied- she always argued about everything and had to have her way. She loved marijuana and kept trying to get me to try it. I refused every time (I wouldn't even let her use it when around me- when she was by herself was her own decision- but I didn't want to be around her whilst she got high!) Anyhow- determined to get me to try it- for my birthday she baked me a chocolate cake... with a 'special' ingredient in it. Whats worse she took it to school- and we ate it at school... Fortunately- she didn't put enough marijuana in it for it to have any effect otherwise we could have been in big trouble. It wasn't until the next day she confessed that she had put marijuana in it. Until then, I (and all my friends) were completely oblivious to the cake's alterior motive- or that it had a secret ingredient. So that is my story of drug use... I felt no effect whatsoever- and was tricked into it.
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 1, 2003 5:02:35 GMT -5
From blues, bombers and purple hearts of my mod days, onto heroin, cocaine, methedrine and LSD as a hippy and opium/magic-mushrooms on trips to Thailand in the 80's and 90's. I have tried them all (even dolphin tranquilizer), I have never been addicted to any, never been out of work and never had days of because work because of drug use. Do I think I am special/lucky! no, there are thousands like me; only the losers get to appear in the newspapers. Henrik said he never took drugs, but he has good logic and reasoning on the issue, unlike smokingun who sounds like an ill-informed Sunday school teacher. If you want my opinion on the best drugs I have tried then it has to be opium followed by mandrex. A reason to take drugs would be to enhance the situation you are in, i.e. dance-floor/laying by a river/skiing etc. the skill is in choosing which is the right drug at the right time. Finally, never take drugs because of peer pressure, it is your choice and your choice alone.
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Post by Wycco on Feb 1, 2003 9:07:51 GMT -5
LOL... Dolphin tranquilizers? Now what exactly is the effect of those? Makes you relaxed? - or is there some other less obvious effect? I wonder who first thought to give themselves Flipper dope? LOL... (I also wonder if Flipper ever got high?)
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Post by BrainFade on Feb 1, 2003 9:52:42 GMT -5
The only well-known drugs I haven't tried are crack and cat. However, almost all the drugs I've taken were purely out of curiosity - often taken only once, just to see what it was like - and I can safely say (again) that I only use cannibis and alcohol on a regular basis. Lately, I've been cutting my marijuana intake quite significantly... after years of puffing, it just gets a little boring sometimes. Sobriety is actually pretty cool I agree with Danny about the issue of peer pressure - never do anything that you don't want to do. If something doesn't feel right, stay away. I HATE it when drug users feel that they need to push their lifestyle on someone else.
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Post by BrainFade on Feb 1, 2003 10:07:28 GMT -5
Funny story that actually happened to someone I know... this girl Kate's dad used to be a game ranger and for some reason, he left a rhino tranquiliser in her fridge. A little while ago, a friend of Kate's came over from the UK on holiday and was staying at her place. This guy was quite a druggie and was game for pretty much anything. The one afternoon, everyone went out, except this guy and while they were away he decided it would be fun to snort a line of the rhino tranquiliser... So he snorted half of it in one go (idiot). When Kate came back, the dude was on the verge of death. The paramedics say if she'd called them ten minutes later, his heart would have stopped.
Smokingun - When you look at incidents like this, maybe there is some truth in the statement that regular drug usage makes you stupid. But I reckon this guy was a buffoon to start off with.
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Post by smokingun on Feb 3, 2003 2:40:02 GMT -5
BrainFade, all i can say is that i am glad that the guy who snorted rhino tranqueliser didn't die. no way can i comment on his IQ, but if i may point out some reasons that he did what he did: a) plain stupid b) prolonged use of drugs made him stupid c) needed a "fix" so bad, he couldn't care.
i'm sure anyone of the above or a combination of the above applied.
DannyBoy, i'm glad you've done so well for yourself. to take stuff like opium and heroin must be quite something. and i must say that reading your post, at least part of me envied you if not for anything then at least because you've experienced something that i may never. and i do beleive that you only live once so make the most of it. we all make our choices, you've made yours and i've obviousely made mine. i beleive drugs do affect the brain, and it would take more than the post of someone who a) takes or has taken drugs, b) beleives in absurd conspiracy theories to make me change my mind. from the sayings of smokingun: "in life better to be ill-informed sunday school teacher, than be paranoind junkie with head up posterior"
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 3, 2003 3:05:22 GMT -5
Wacco; Dolphin tranquilizer; the real name is Katalin, it is used for most animals and probably what BrainFades friend had in her fridge. It is very dangerous in its liquid form (the usual way to give to it animals) so because of the risk involved when using it, most vets will have an antidote mixture made up in case they inject themselves by mistake. To limit the danger; the common way to use Katalin (for personal use) is to bake it in a microwave oven until it chrysalises, then snort/sniff it. The effect is to immobilize you, much as you see animals in wildlife documentaries, however, your mind/brain is still active and seems to be enhanced by the numbing of body movements. It as a hallucinogenic drug and you can (I have) have an out of body experience, whereby you can look down and see yourself sitting/laying there and seeing all the things that are happening around you. Again, I stress that anyone who takes these drugs, or at least, any powerful/potentially fatal drug, only take them if you are with people you can trust, at least one of whom should not be using drugs at the time.
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Post by Henrik on Feb 3, 2003 5:55:31 GMT -5
Henrik said he never took drugs, but he has good logic and reasoning on the issue, unlike smokingun who sounds like an ill-informed Sunday school teacher. Dannyboy, I don't actually recall saying I never took any drugs. In case I did say that it was not true. While in highschool I went through the "normal" phase of testing a number of illegal substances. Can't say I really enjoyed any of them, but I fould it interesting and also worthwhile in order to know what I was talking about while on the subject of drugs. The most common drug here at the time was haschish (not sure of the spelling), and marijuana was never available. Some of the hasch could be very potent depending on its origin and what was actually put in it (there were at times some Turkish variety that contained opium). There were some attempts with other substances such as LSD and mushrooms, both very interesting. As I mentioned earlier, I really don't have a problem with social usage of such soft drugs, but personally do not enjoy it. I would actually get sick eventually from smoking the stuff. The only habit that stuck with me is the nicotine one. Hopefully I'll kick that one someday....
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Post by OT on Feb 3, 2003 15:53:00 GMT -5
I rarely stray into the "Politics" area - but just thought I would share....
Several soft drugs for experimentation in a party atmosphere - found that I could have more "fun" while straight.
Oddly enough - shortly afterward - I drowned in a diving "accident" - and was revived. To say that it was a surreal experience is a massive understatement. I won't go into detail - but it scared me into believing that reality is the only way forward and that the mind is a VERY powerful function of a VERY sensitive organism.
...each to their own.
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Post by smokingun on Feb 6, 2003 1:55:16 GMT -5
about these experiences, i suffer from a type of epilepsy, and one of the more pleasent things about my condition is the feeling one gets just after an attack. you feel light headed, my vision is blurred a bit, but i do enjoy the feeling. also i feel that my ability to think improves a bit after the attack, and i've solved some pretty tough engineering problems and proofs.
pity that i take medication to control the seizures, but then the advantages far outweight the loss of a few "highs"
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