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Post by Srrh on Jan 28, 2003 11:05:05 GMT -5
"continued use of this stuff makes you stupid". that is what smoking pot does anyway in the long term. Err, the fight zone is lower down the site... Continued use of this stuff hasn't made me any dumber. Nor did it to anyone I know...It's a bitch for your short term memory, but then again, so is booze... On the other hand, it doesn't make you any smarter either... S....
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Post by Srrh on Jan 28, 2003 11:32:31 GMT -5
Does LSD have the same effects as Mushrooms ?
Reading you guys, it seems like it....anyone?
S...
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Post by Wycco on Jan 28, 2003 12:36:33 GMT -5
Err, the fight zone is lower down the site... Continued use of this stuff hasn't made me any dumber. Nor did it to anyone I know...It's a bitch for your short term memory, but then again, so is booze... On the other hand, it doesn't make you any smarter either... S.... Well- from what I've read in the past- memory and cognitive skills are reduced; fertility is hampered; one Marijuana cigarette has the same quantity of carcinogens as a pack of tobacco cigarettes. (I think I read once the average Marijiuana cigarette has much more nicotine than the average tobacco cigarette). Granted- not everyone who takes the stuff is going to become an airhead: just as, not everyone who smokes tobacco is going to get cancer. No one is going to try calling you dumb srrh (I think you've proved yourself elsewise)... although- imagine if it wasn't for the pot- you might have made a discovery that made Eistein look like a dim bulb... you never know! Oh well- who needs to discover the ultimate panacea anyway! No doubt the stuff is harmfull to your health (to what degree no one seems to agree completely). However, health effects is not the issue- lots of things are unhealthy but legal... Coke, salt, chips (french fries), crisps (chips), fried chicken...
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Post by BrainFade on Jan 28, 2003 14:02:21 GMT -5
Srrh - Acid is like a much more potent version of mushrooms - stronger and longer lasting, but the basic effects are the same... Although, I actually had this one bad trip on shrooms that was worse than anything I've had on LSD: "there is a god, but he's an evil god. the universe is a malevolent force" kinda thing. Since then, I don't touch any hallucinogens... My drug philosophy is - what's from the earth is of the greatest worth (except mushrooms). Keep away from the chemical stuff
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Post by pabs on Jan 28, 2003 14:09:30 GMT -5
I don't know that nicotine should be banned DeadCat since people don't lose their cognitive skills when they smoke regular cigarrettes (spoken like a true smoker). But if it was made illegal, then I'd definitely quit.
Other than that, I agree pretty much 100% with SG's arguments.
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Post by smokingun on Jan 29, 2003 4:43:31 GMT -5
Err, the fight zone is lower down the site... i wasn't looking for a fight , besides this thread is too good to let it degenerate into a senseless fight. i remember reading it on a book or seeing it on a documentary that even drugs like marijuana if consumed over a long period of time does damage the brain permanantly. the report pointed to former addicts and long time addicts who tend to sit and gaze into space for long hours giving the impression that they are deep in though. the reality is that the exact opposite is true. the brain is so badly damaged that these people aren't thinking anything. their minds are just blank. your reflexes also suffer even when you are on dope. this i beleive has been clinically proven as lowered reflexes is something that can be measured. and is noticeble even when your thinking capacity is still pretty reasonable. if you do use dope regularly, perhaps you should get yourself checked esp your reflexes. that ought to give you a better idea of the damage you have done and possibly are still doing to yourself. remember the poorer reflexes is not the end of the road but just a warning of much worse to come. speaking for myself, i value my ability to think pretty highly. maybe it's because i really don't have many other positive things to boast about. but i would imagine that most people would treasure their ability to think and reason as very precious indeed. as a friend, and i think we are all friends, please quit while you are still ahead. there is no point waiting to become a dumbass before you decide to quit. smokingun[if i do sound harsh, it's only because i care]
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Post by DeadCat on Jan 29, 2003 5:29:25 GMT -5
Trying not to sound like a hypocrite (or a complete drug addict), but I actually support the casual use of Marijuana.
Not for the record, but I used to smoke 1-2 cones a day (good stuff too) for many many years, normally around bedtime to get a good nights’ sleep and never during the day.
For the record, I haven’t had a chuff in over a year and I don’t feel any different cause of it…. (not because supply died up, actually, I don’t really know why I stopped)
Anyway, I basically see 3 major benefits in the favour of Marijuana.
1. Great for the eyes, I’m 29 now and have worked with technology since I could first get my hands on a Tandy TRS-80 series1. (Yes, I still remember the introduction of CPM). And my eyes are still perfect. (There is also medical evidence supporting this).
2. An excellent relaxant and stress can cause more damage to the body than a simple herb. (Doesn’t need to be smoked in it’s natural form to be effective, this is more of a consequence of it being illegal)
3. It is a stimulant, not a depressant. I used to find that if I hadn’t had any for a while (say, 3 months, and I never got/get any cravings), then my brain would find different and more efficient solutions to real situations I was facing in real life. (increases imagination, guess that's why I used to sleep so well)
I know it also has its downsides, but hey, eat too much garlic and you’ll die as well. (Let’s all partition to make garlic illegal, lol)
(DeadCat)
As I’ve said before, classify these so called social problem drugs based on pure medical evidence and control these classes accordingly. (As is presently done in most developed countries with alcohol, codeine, etc….)
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Post by smokingun on Jan 29, 2003 5:36:48 GMT -5
DeadCat, are marijuana, hashis, pot and grass one and the same thing? grass and hashis i beleive are from different parts of the same plant. if this is the marijuana plant, then what is "pot"? note pot is the slang term.
also, that was a pretty compelling argument towards making certains drugs legal and subject to controlled doses, preferably in conjunction with medical advice. what about the long term uses of the drug. am i wrong in stating that continued and long term smoking of pot makes a person stupid?
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Post by DeadCat on Jan 29, 2003 6:07:17 GMT -5
Smokingun,
On your question, yeah, pretty much so, just in different concentrations of the active ingredient THC. (Hashish is the most naturally concentrated, although if you cook a pound of leaf and tip (about AUD$200) into a black forest cake and then serve it with fresh custard and ice-cream the effects are also devastating, and the cake is delicious, lol) – Maybe we need to move this thread to the food section….
Other names include:
BUDS, DOOBS, HEADS, MARY JANE, ACUPULCO GOLD, REEFER, POT, BOWL, GANJA, BLUNT, CHRONIC, SKUNK, HERB, TOKE, PINNER, CHONGER, BAT, WACKY TABACCY…..
+ Many many more…..
Oh, and “pot” is just a general term…..
Heads – the head of the flower Buds – the bud of the flower Hashish –high THC concentrated droplets that form on the heads, (feels like plasticine).
On long-term usage and side-affects? I think this depends on whether the person is a user, or an abuser, (as with any substance).
Personally, I think the only side effect of Marijuana is laziness due to an increased acceptance of present conditions.
(DeadCat)
Have more to write, but I have to go, people on phone…..
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Post by smokingun on Jan 29, 2003 6:27:32 GMT -5
that was first class DeadCat. really cool. thank you.
perhaps my next question to you, and i ask you this because obviously you have dabbled with the stuff and yet over the last few months i have come to respect you for your level of intellect and more important your opinion which i find very balanced, how would one distinguish between a user and an abuser? just simple rule of thumb/common sense ways. at what stage does someone move from using drugs such as pot to abusing them.
one more thing, i have given serious thought to quitting cigarettes. you mentioned that you are also a smoker and you also seem to be well aware of the damage that nicotine can cause. i am confident that i can give it up, but having a "buddy" won't hurt either. please give it some thought. mail me, pm me or reply on this forum itself. i am actually thinking of starting a thread on the general boards about this. so that other smokers from among us can respond. like i said, a lot of good has come from this thread for me at least. seeing nicotine in your list of banned substances is what really made me decide that i need to quit.
smokingun
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Post by Srrh on Jan 29, 2003 8:40:38 GMT -5
I saw a movie called Reefer Madness last night (it was either that or the state of the union, so I chose the smart one)... He, he, he: now I know were some of us got their info on dope....hehehe: marijuana smokers kill their gold fishes! beware!!!
S...h
Seriously, what an hilarious piece of propaganda. It had me convinced. Just like in case of a nuclear war, I'll be saved if I only "duck, and cover, duck, and cover...." tadadadala tadala
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Post by Srrh on Jan 29, 2003 8:46:22 GMT -5
Er, Pot is NOT booze.
After two beers, my times at GP4 start climbing.
After a splif, they actually decrease. I use to play soccer (as a goalie) only after a couple of puffs: I was much more concentrated.
This all sounds like propaganda to me...
S..h
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Post by smokingun on Jan 29, 2003 9:24:38 GMT -5
Er, Pot is NOT booze. After two beers, my times at GP4 start climbing. After a splif, they actually decrease. I use to play soccer (as a goalie) only after a couple of puffs: I was much more concentrated. This all sounds like propaganda to me... S..h probably because the neurons are much more excited and stimulated. but this causes the nerve endings to get damamged and in the long run, the damage is irreversible. please, i am not an expert on these matters, and what i am saying, i have read about or seen on tv a long time back. but i am pretty certain that i remember correctly. but do consult a neurologist if you do not beleive this. i have nothing to gain if you use dope, but you potentially have a lot to lose. please think about that.
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Post by Henrik on Jan 29, 2003 11:20:04 GMT -5
Lot's of good info here!
Hey, I'm a smoker (cigarettes), and I suppose I should quit, but right now I am not ready to join you SmokinGun. Besides, if you quit, you'll have to change your name!
About the documentaries you have seen regarding brain damage resulting from smoking marijuana(and other similar substances), I have seen similar. The first time was at highschool, as they were trying to inform the kids so that they would not go down that path. I suppose it all was for a good cause, but kids will be kids, and many have to learn on their own. I know I did, but eventually quit as I simply didn't enjoy it. Actually, it would make me nauseous. I think for a casual user however, there is probably less risk even that what a casual drinker exposes himself to. Don't forget that alcohol too seriously messes with those braincells.
I say we need to live a little from time to time, and so if that means having a few drinks or smoking a joint, then fine.
In reading I also remembered a test in Car & Driver from somewhere around 1980. Considering that smoking up had become so common in the US, they actually did a driving test (on a track) to see how smoking affected the driving. They would gradually increase the amount consumed, doing regular slalom courses with a car. The funny thing was that in the beginning, everybody's time actually improved, as they were all a bit more relaxed.
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Post by Henrik on Jan 29, 2003 11:51:48 GMT -5
Hmm, I actually lost my train of thought there (and don't tell me that was because I smoked some before, or I'll tell you I didn't inhale! LOL!!).
What I meant to say about those documentaries is that they have been made for the purpose of convincing people that smoking marijuana is bad. Sure, some of their findings may perhaps be true if one consumes some very large quantities, but I think it is fair to say that you will never be able to present any medical evidence that casual smoking will seriously damage your brain. Again, I believe alcohol in similar quantities will actually produce more damage.
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