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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 7, 2003 0:49:57 GMT -5
SG You don’t think that a man who’s whole life style (and that of his family) is paid for by the US government would lie do you???
why not blame the floods and the earthquakes also on saddam?? It is a well-known fact (or it will be as soon as they can make the video) that Saddam has the capability to send hurricanes and tornados to America. The American government also has a tape recording of Iraqi scientists praising their development of El-Nino
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Post by Srrh on Feb 7, 2003 9:09:31 GMT -5
....and what about the way Saddam killed Kurt Cobain ?
S..h
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 7, 2003 9:57:34 GMT -5
Powell has irrefutable proof that Saddam was the "shooter on the grassy knoll" and has this picture to prove it.
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Post by Topcontender on Feb 7, 2003 10:51:42 GMT -5
DAnny good joke ;D Now if you can link him to Dr. King you would be the man
Smoking- we have sat photos of military training in Iraq showing empty airiplanes being used for training people on how to take them over. It is older news, but yes the photos have been all over the media here
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Post by RacerX on Feb 7, 2003 10:57:41 GMT -5
A couple of things to consider:
Smokingun:
The man said southern Baghdad...NOT southern Iraq. I would think it easy to have a training facility set up in southern baghdad, and you would NOT need working aircraft for this purpose. The military practice regulaurly on grounded aircraft (Anti-terror Hijack countermissions).
These grounded planes do NOT even have wings!!! They just want the interior to practice in, to get familiar with the environment...
Glendo:
Your point about American press isn't credible at all. Hell, for information, we have unbelievable access to information from all around the world. I'm guessing we could watch "Al-Jereza" TV if we chose to...(I don't know this for a fact...but it wouldn't surprise me.)
With a satellite dish (Not the little ones for sports & junk) you can pick up many signals from all over. I remember way back, when my neighbor in Dallas used to get Canadian, Australian & Mexico stations regulaurly.
One thing this country was built on was freedom of speech. There are many poeple whom died in wars fighting for that right alone: "I may not like what you're saying, but I'll fight like hell for you to have the right to say it."
OK, maybe I'm digging up the past, and I'm sure the government has become more involved in what they can control media-wise, but I'd be more prone to belive what I see here in this country from six different networks (some very much against Bush policies), than what I would say...the Iraqi Post, or the North Korean Periodicle, or the Al-Queada Times, or ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT RUN media outlet...
(The names are ficticious, but I gather you get the point...)
Later, RacerX
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Post by pabs on Feb 7, 2003 11:26:52 GMT -5
On that note Rx, I'd like to add that we live in liberal country. Austin and its surrounding areas are about as liberal as Berkley...well may not that much but damn close enough. Not a day goes by that I don't have to listen to people arguing against the war in Iraq even quoting Muslim news sources. Now I don't always have to agree with them but they do have that right, and trust me, they make use of it.
See, people think that all Americans think alike and that everyone gets their news from CNN and the Post, but this country is much too diverse even when it comes to news sources, let alone foreign policy.
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Post by DeadCat on Feb 7, 2003 12:37:46 GMT -5
Rx, Pabs,
This is an accident waiting to happen...
US Media being global and not censored....lmcao
(DeadCat)
I grab me coat.....
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Post by pabs on Feb 7, 2003 13:38:57 GMT -5
DC,
I am not saying US media is not censored or even biased. What I am saying is that there's people here in the US who do take the time and effort to look up other news sources, and wouldn't you know it, they even have the same opinion as you.
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Post by Topcontender on Feb 7, 2003 14:03:51 GMT -5
Al Jazerra is on TV here in the states. If you get New World International, You get Russian, German, French, Chinease, Japanese, Canadian, and a few other news broadcasts.
WE also have the BBCa that at 6pm shows the BBC world News.
If you want to see any news cast it is possible here in the states.
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Post by RacerX on Feb 7, 2003 15:41:32 GMT -5
DeadCat...I don't get what's laughable?
This country is pretty open, by ANYONE'S standard. Wasn't it here two months ago where someone printed a list of most open media access? I think the U.S. rated 16th? Not bad, considering this country has obvious military secrets to keep.
I'll restate my question for you.
Would you prefer the open media of the United States (or the FREEDOM to access media from all over the world)...
...or...
..Would you prefer to live where the Government runs, prints and controls ALL the media you're allowed to see? Government TV, Government News Paper, Government Radio?
I seriously have to WONDER what these Governments are affraid their own people will LEARN! Don't you?
Just curious, RacerX
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Post by Srrh on Feb 7, 2003 16:13:03 GMT -5
Da list from reporters without border: 1 Finland 0,50 - Iceland 0,50 - Norway 0,50 - Netherlands 0,50 5 Canada 0,75 6 Ireland 1,00 7 Germany 1,50 - Portugal 1,50 - Sweden 1,50 10 Denmark 3,00 11 France 3,25 12 Australia 3,50 - Belgium 3,50 14 Slovenia 4,00 15 Costa Rica 4,25 - Switzerland 4,25 17 United States 4,75 18 Hong Kong 4,83 19 Greece 5,00 20 Ecuador 5,50 21 Benin 6,00 - United Kingdom 6,00 - Uruguay 6,00 24 Chile 6,50 - Hungary 6,50 26 South Africa 7,50 - Austria 7,50 - Japan 7,50 29 Spain 7,75
But I must agree with DeadCat.
Remeber what Dunno had to say about this: "...In the US while the concept of freedom of speech exists, no jouranlist in the US is brave enough to actually have an anti policy opinion as much as any European country who regularly give their governments hell. No subject, no politician is safe from interrogation. The US is far too deferential to their leaders to actually question them, if they do, they are unpatriotic" I agree.
With a few notable exceptions (Frontline, POV...) TV Journos in the state are WAY TOO deferential to wealth and power.
A stupid exemple: Bashir's interview of Jacko; could never have been done by an american televised media...
BTW I find that American prints media is miles ahead of US televison news coverage. Some american mags (such as Foreign Affairs) rank amongst the best in the world.
Although I sometimes disagree with its "patriotism" the BBC world service remains, for me, the yardstick. Canada, with its CBC is not far behind...
S..h
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Post by DeadCat on Feb 8, 2003 13:42:20 GMT -5
Rx,
It's all good in true Shamu style.....
“Would you prefer the open media of the United States (or the FREEDOM to access media from all over the world)...
...or...
..Would you prefer to live where the Government runs, prints and controls ALL the media you're allowed to see? Government TV, Government News Paper, Government Radio?”
I’ll answer your question, thou you may not like the answer:
- I’ll take option #3….
On option #1: do you really think you have full access, or are you only being given the impression you have full access? (as an example; I’ll stick to only very recent events)
- What the hell happened with the whole Taiwan democracy thing? Why did the US change from supporting Taiwan (voting for a government) to arse-kissing China (communist government)?
What is the present situation in Burma? Who is in control and why do the US permit them to produce 80% of the heroin consumed in the US?
Why are the Thai people so concerned about losing their present King?
What were the recent events in Cambodia that caused the closure of the Thai-Cambodia border? How have the local people reacted to this?
Why wasn’t the monarchy in Cambodia reinstated after the Khmer Rouge had been eradicated? How many people did the Khmer Rouge kill, (to the nearest million is OK)?
And why are elephants no longer allowed in Bangkok? (This is more of a donkey question…)
On option #2, yes there are still countries in this world that completely filter content to all types of media, and yes Australia and US are on this list of filtered media coverage…..
(DeadCat)
Rx, I’ve nothing against the US, but Bush saying that none of his troops will ever face an international war-crimes tribunal has really pissed me off…..
Also, try and get a copy of “Massacre at Mazar”, although I believe your freedom of speech laws make that documentary unavailable in the US….
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Post by glendo on Feb 9, 2003 0:22:03 GMT -5
i second that deadcat.
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Post by smokingun on Feb 9, 2003 7:26:59 GMT -5
RacerX, don't you think that it is a bit of a long shot to claim iraq is a terrorist state? i mean all countries that i can think of would use similar training to train anti-terrorist squads. having stood up to islamic fundamentalist iraq would be as much a target as any other country. besides which islamic fundamentalist state would have a non-muslim as the 2nd in command? (i remember reading that tariq aziz is in fact a christian) it just doesn't add up. here is a link that outlines just how hopeless the uk's excuse to go to war is. assuming that the motives remain the same and powell praised this report, it does make you wonder why on earth would people who we trust to be in power lie. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2735031.stm
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Post by Topcontender on Feb 9, 2003 11:43:12 GMT -5
CNN a few days ago showed Iraqi Military groups marching around with dynamite strapped to them. They were suicide bombers.
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