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Post by Srrh on Aug 1, 2003 13:56:45 GMT -5
Thx for the link S. that is why I don't believe in capital punishment, because the system is not perfect. A for you. Well, you shouldn't drink alone, one for me too.
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Post by Srrh on Aug 1, 2003 14:00:34 GMT -5
5) This is tied to #2- you're belief that the government should own the people rather than the other way around. Good try dude... You almost sliped this one by me...it is not my belief that the government SHOULD own the people. It is my belief that it indeed does. It shouldn't, but it does...or rather, it acts like it does... I'll have a , so you can't put anything else in my mouth S.
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Post by Wycco on Aug 1, 2003 14:01:13 GMT -5
C'mon...it's HOSTED by PBS, but it is actually a link to Frontline (which an intl. production: BBC, CBC etc...). LOL- actually that comment making fun of PBS was actually meant in jest... The link took me to what looked like video links- I'm at work and my bosses desk is 10ft from mine- Video online is a little hard to watch... I always "work" late- I'll check it out this evening!
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Post by Henrik on Aug 1, 2003 14:01:45 GMT -5
There is a problem with the sales tax theory though. It is true that the people that can will spend more etc., but the problem is that it will result in increased prices on everything. As a result, those who have less will be able to buy even less as prices have gone up.
I may be pessimistic, but I can't think of a system that will be fair, primarily because the human being is not equal. There will always be some that wish to have more, and others who find that less important. Some will be hungry for power, and some simply follow. It is just the way it is.
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Post by Srrh on Aug 1, 2003 14:10:46 GMT -5
I may be pessimistic, but I can't think of a system that will be fair, primarily because the human being is not equal. Too true. Well, their is always Shamuism. S.
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Post by Wycco on Aug 1, 2003 14:13:35 GMT -5
There is a problem with the sales tax theory though. It is true that the people that can will spend more etc., but the problem is that it will result in increased prices on everything. As a result, those who have less will be able to buy even less as prices have gone up. I think this is probably what Srrh meant when he said the tax favours the rich. - This is also the reason why I think there needs to be a duality to the tax rates- one for luxuries and one for essentials. My whole perspectic comes down to the fact that I feel a sales tax would help cycle money through the economy quicker for investment... Giving more money to businessess- would give businesses more money to spend on such things as salary. I may be pessimistic, but I can't think of a system that will be fair, primarily because the human being is not equal. And I agree with you on this point. BUT- Giving one child $5 more than another child because one child has pimples is unfair. Castrating that same boy because he has pimples in also unfair. "unfairness" comes in degrees. You try your best to be fair- even though you know being "perfectly fair" is perhaps unachievable. I just think sales tax is perhaps... fairER than the other two.
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Post by Wycco on Aug 1, 2003 14:17:18 GMT -5
Good try dude... You almost sliped this one by me...it is not my belief that the government SHOULD own the people. It is my belief that it indeed does. It shouldn't, but it does...or rather, it acts like it does... I'll have a , so you can't put anything else in my mouth I disolved an "M$ is F1" pill in the beer- you now have "M$ is F1" in your mouth. LOL- as a compromise on this issue how about we lay it down to a matter of perspective whether or not government owns people or people own the government. There is obviously a symbiotic relationship between both organisms in a democratic society- both need the other to keep current functionality running.
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Post by Srrh on Aug 1, 2003 14:20:47 GMT -5
Srrh- ah but the property tax's are not federally regulated Touché. I got lost in my raving and lost the focus... What if property wasn't a right ? Just a temporary state...then for sure taxing the priviledge of owning would be a good idea... S.
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Post by Srrh on Aug 1, 2003 14:25:03 GMT -5
Giving one child $5 more than another child because one child has pimples is unfair. Castrating that same boy because he has pimples in also unfair. I know where you're going with the first part of this, but what on earth does the second part mean ? I am pretty sure it is a metphor, but for the life of me, I can't figure out, a metaphor for what? Do you feel like your loosing you're manhood when you write that check? Or is there something more profound youd like to tell us? Does Amy know? S.
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Post by Srrh on Aug 1, 2003 14:27:35 GMT -5
I disolved an "M$ is F1" pill in the beer- AKA the rape pill, the one they give RB every other week. ;D S.
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Post by Wycco on Aug 1, 2003 14:38:07 GMT -5
Or is there something more profound youd like to tell us? Does Amy know? I assume you mean Emy- otherwise I plead ignorence and you shouldn't believe anything Amy tells you- it never happened!
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Post by smokingun on Aug 3, 2003 11:33:30 GMT -5
i don't beleive this!! a perfectly good discussion turns out to talk about castration, rape pills and a hint of infidelity. isn't it bad enough that there are all over this thread?? you "boys" need to grow up i think a one time tax on property when you buy it is good enough. i remember reading an article in the Readers Digest about an elderly man who although could afford to pay his taxes, simply lacked the mental capacity to do so. he lost a house worth much much more than the due taxes because the law allows a 3rd party to pay the dues and take pocession. i live in the most corrupt country in the world. i hate taxes because over here it is nothing more than being robbed legally. smokingun
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Post by Wycco on Aug 4, 2003 8:45:44 GMT -5
Smokingun,
That would actually support a "sales" tax- and thus would fit my idea of a good- fair tax plan.
Srrh- Henrik,
Would you "support" my tax plan if it was written in such a way as to maintain the current ratio that the various "classes" paid?
For instance if the two-tier sales tax system was rigged in such a way that the luxury items would cause a similar split in the tax burden that is currently in place?
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Post by Henrik on Aug 4, 2003 10:12:46 GMT -5
Umm, not sure I would accept any tax plan Wycco. I'm a hardcore capitalist! ;D
I like Monaco's tax system. Use the gains from the casinos to cover for the government spending. Now that's a good system. If people are stupid enough to gamble away their money, great!
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Post by Topcontender on Aug 4, 2003 10:25:21 GMT -5
Doesn't Some of the post soviet state's have the flat tax, and I think Poland has or will have it soon too.
Also, The reason why Wycoo and I are pissed is becuase American Law is based on English common law. From that everything is based on ownership, so for the gov to say it is our and to later tax it makes us feel like rent.
As for the death penalty question. Citizens are free until they break the laws of the land. When arrested they loose all those rights, and become property of the state. The military works sort of like this too, when you sign a contract with them.
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