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Post by Srrh on Aug 21, 2003 14:13:46 GMT -5
From the very american ABCnews:
Israel's latest actions... means that the Zionist enemy has assassinated the truce and the Hamas movement holds the Zionist enemy fully responsible for the consequences of its crime," Ismail al-Haniyah told reporters in Gaza.
Hamas's close ally Islamic Jihad also renounced the truce.
Reformist Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas called the missile attack "an ugly crime." Aides said it would trigger a relapse into tit-for-tat violence, thwarting peacemaking.
"Israel's continuation of this escalatory policy will ... weaken the Palestinian Authority's ability to restore calm and to move on to the political process," Information Minister Nabil Amr said in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
"This attack is irresponsible and takes us back to the cycle of violence which the Palestinian Authority is trying to avoid."
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's security cabinet said in a statement after overnight deliberations that no progress on the road map was conceivable unless Palestinian authorities took action against militant factions behind attacks -- as the peace plan requires.
"If the Palestinian government does not take all necessary steps in the war on terror -- real and substantive steps -- it will not be possible to move to the stage of diplomatic talks," it said.
Abbas's cabinet, which also met overnight, vowed to enforce compliance by all Palestinians with "one authority and rule of law."
Israeli security sources said Abu Shanab was targeted because he was involved in planning militant attacks.
The Palestinian Authority and independent analysts had considered Abu Shanab among the few relative moderates in Hamas. He joined several rounds of dialogue between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority on the cease-fire with Israel.
The death toll from Tuesday's suicide bombing on a Jerusalem bus packed with ultra-Orthodox Jews rose to 20 Thursday after one person died in hospital and another's remains were identified from DNA checks, Israeli police said.
So here we have it....up in smoke....with 72 virgins...bye-bye road map!!
S.
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Post by Topcontender on Aug 21, 2003 15:25:46 GMT -5
Look they are not done blowing each other up yet. The only way this will end is if both sides are dead, or enough people are dead to get some sort of a agreement.
Palistine: The terrorist orgs dont want a Israeli state. No matter what agreement thier is, they dont want Israel. Arafat is using these guys to undermine Abbas. Right now the Palistininans have a very bad power struggle, and Arafat is trying to keep his power. Just because Abbas is said to have 60,000 troops under is thumb does not mean they are loyal to him. Plus Abbas told the US a few days ago that Arafat is trying to undermine him.
Isreal: Sharone is a sick and twisted fuck! His nick "muslim killer" was given to him after he puled his stunt 20-30 years ago, that got him kicked out of the Isreali parliament. His walls, and assasination atacks dont help at all, and i bet he doesn't really want peace.
However, lets hope Bush can still hold a group of people that will back him if he does cut the Israeli aid, but with attacks like this he might not.
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Post by Henrik on Aug 21, 2003 16:07:38 GMT -5
No offence, but it's not like Bush has a track record for peaceful resolutions....
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Post by Justin on Aug 21, 2003 16:32:41 GMT -5
Bush's famous last words "Bring em on."
Why not after all it's not his blood being spilt, only his friend's oil.
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Post by daSilva on Aug 21, 2003 16:34:14 GMT -5
No offence but it's not like the middle east has a track record for peace. It doesn't matter what anybody does the bullshit will continue.
So when is that second coming supposed to be anyway?
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Post by Henrik on Aug 21, 2003 16:39:18 GMT -5
For sure da Silva. I have said it on many occasions, the current crop of "leaders" in the area are not helping, nor have the ones in the past. Perhaps Rabin was one of the few exceptions. However, I also don't believe the Bush administration and their agenda is the answer...
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Post by worthless on Aug 21, 2003 17:55:46 GMT -5
There will only be a lasting peace when both sides WANT lasting peace..... ...unfortunately, it doesn't look like that is going to happen very soon.  |
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Post by eso on Aug 21, 2003 19:24:27 GMT -5
There have been wars in that region since the beginning of recorded history. Why would that change now? Because it is destabilizing to western capitalist agendas? Really.
Sorry if I sound pessimistic of the whole process, but the attitudes of the region seem to be reinforced by 5000+ years of ethnic violence.
eso
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Post by Danny Boy on Aug 21, 2003 22:29:26 GMT -5
From the very american ABCnews: Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's security cabinet said "If the Palestinian government does not take all necessary steps in the war on terror -- real and substantive steps -- it will not be possible to move to the stage of diplomatic talks," it said. As I have said before, the biggest benfactors of 9-11 are Big Buisness and the scum who rule israel. Still think it was a man in a cave who planned it. |
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Post by Topcontender on Aug 22, 2003 7:53:56 GMT -5
yeah I know Bush's record is not that good, but Dubya has made a very strong indication that he will hold back money to israel if they dont do something about that wall. However, like i said this bombing crap is not helping his situation.
Honestly, both sides have too many people that would rather fight than have peace. I also believe that if they do get close something would happen, and we would see one of the leaders get shot (again).
What gets me is that the Israelis never signed this Road map. They just picked and choosed what they wanted to use. No media outlet has really mentioned this, but this and the fact that they are building this wall that is taking 1 kilometer off the palistinians land is not helping things. Like I said Abbas looks like he wants peace, but the radicals in charge on both sides are not done fighting yet.
if it were me, i just say screw it ,and give them both equal money. Then we can sit back and see them blow each other up, make peace, or something else. By then the nut jobs on both sides will be dead and we might get somewhere.
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Post by Srrh on Aug 22, 2003 7:56:27 GMT -5
Perhaps Rabin was one of the few exceptions. I share that thought. The peace died when they shot him. S. |
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Post by Srrh on Aug 22, 2003 9:53:18 GMT -5
I thought that was interesting...I stole it from BBCNEWS.com.
It's the middle east reaction to the end of the roadmap, seen through various news sources and paper...
Theire's a bit of everything....
Here we go
"The truce has not collapsed because of the Jerusalem bombing, nor did it collapse after the killing of Hamas leader Abu Shanab. The truce collapsed much earlier, due to the fact that, since the truce was announced, the Israelis have persisted in provoking the Palestinians."
Al-Jazeera - Saudi Arabia
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"It is no secret that Israel was striving to strike at peace...The only option left to Palestinians is to retaliate against Israel's violations which are aimed at alienating Palestinians and forcing them out of the road map."
Al-Safir - Lebanon
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"All this violence and bloodshed between Palestinians and Israelis does not come out of the blue. Israel bears the responsibility because it was the first to violate the truce in pursuing its assassination policy against the Palestinians."
Al-Ahram - Egypt
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"We think that the first and most important factor is goodwill. If Israel had goodwill and really intended to achieve peace, it would end its revenge policy against the Palestinians... Repression will only bring about endless violence and more bloodshed."
Al-Akhbar - Egypt
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"The operation that killed martyr Ismail Abu Shanab will not weaken the Hamas movement and will not succeed in putting pressure on its leaders. It will rather make them more radical in aspiring to even more martyrdom."
Al-Quds Al-Arabi - London
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"The killing of Ismail Abu Shanab is a revenge operation, which will only add to the fire rather than extinguishing it, leading to more violence which cannot be controlled, putting everyone on a path to destruction with no horizon."
Al-Sharq al-Awsat - London
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"Despite the "success" achieved by the Israeli army in the killing of Abu Shanab, the Israeli peace movement has summarised the situation with wisdom by saying: The killing of Abu Shanab will not save a single Israeli."
Al-Ra'y - Jordan
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"With the increasing danger in the Palestinian arena, it is now important for Arab intervention to contain the deteriorating situation."
Al-Dustur - Jordan
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"The situation obliges the Israeli Government to help Palestinians who want to fight terror achieve their goal... Actions like the assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Abu Shanab could make it difficult for the Palestianian Government and eliminate the small chance that exists to revive the peace process."
Ha'aretz editorial - Israel
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"Does it really suffice to pin all the responsibility for the crisis on gangs of Palestinian terrorists and a frail Mahmud Abbas[Palestinian prime minister], while absolving Israel's prime minister? Two years of national tailspin suffice to tell Sharon he ought to go."
Ha'aretz commentary - Israel
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"The security establishment decided to return to the policy adopted a week before the truce came into force: pursuit of Hamas heads... Now there is a need to convince the Americans of the importance of this root canal treatment of Hamas and Islamic Jihad"
Yedi'ot Aharonot - Israel
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"So if the truce has departed this world, and also if the Israeli reaction to the Jerusalem terrorist attack will now bring about renewed violence, in the end everything will return to square one."
Ma'ariv - Israel
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"In Palestine, Hamas and other terrorist groups enjoy wide support... In Palestine, one increasingly gets the sense that terrorist movements and democratic ones blend."
Jerusalem Post - Israel
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So here we have it...
S.
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Post by Srrh on Aug 22, 2003 9:56:09 GMT -5
BTW, as it is often the case, I agree with Ha'aretz. I like that paper...it gives me hope...often did...
S.
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Post by Srrh on Aug 22, 2003 9:58:19 GMT -5
if it were me, i just say screw it ,and give them both equal money OH MY GOD !!! TC is turning left wing on us... The end of the world must be near....  S. |
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Post by Topcontender on Aug 22, 2003 22:19:55 GMT -5
naw i am very right wing, i have just seen the BS with my own eyes, and i know the only reason Israel is here is from the big money backing in DC.
There are a few issues i dont go right wing on, but if it were me i probably shoot both Sharone and Arafat, to get some peace.
Interesting Poll, Rush LImbaugh quoted a poll saying that over 2/3 of palistinians want peace. See even the most right winged man in America thinks that it is not all Palistinians, but a few rotten apples.
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