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Post by justan on Apr 2, 2003 12:20:19 GMT -5
An opinion poll in Le Monde has shown that a third of French people want the United States and Britain to lose the war. The poll also showed that 78 per cent of people opposed the war but that 53 per cent want Saddam Hussein to be deposed now that the conflict has begun.
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Post by Wycco on Apr 2, 2003 12:25:36 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me... so much for being our allies... France supplied Argentina with amunitions during the Fawklands war too!  |
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Post by Srrh on Apr 2, 2003 13:33:28 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me... so much for being our allies... France supplied Argentina with amunitions during the Fawklands war too! and exactly what right (except the right of the might) does England have in the Falkland anyway... And who do you consider your real friends, those who whatever you do -including running into a wall- tell you to go right ahead, or those who warn you that it might not be a great idea? France is probably one of the Us's closest ally...It's ties have never beeing cut off...since Lafayette... I want Saddam to be deposed AND the 2 member coalittion to loose. Best of both world. What I find a bit strange is that only 53% want Saddam to be deposed...People outside the Baas party support Saddam? Why the hell would they do that ? He's a crazy butcher (sorry to the butchers....) I guess the bush logic is starting to work: you are either with me or against me...so some people opposing the US are actually defending the Baghdad prick. Some people are REALLY political retards....and to think they have a right to vote...no wonder we're in such deep shit... I remain, S... |
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Post by Wycco on Apr 2, 2003 13:40:47 GMT -5
and exactly what right (except the right of the might) does England have in the Falkland anyway... Srrh- The Fawklands, a couple of infertile, inhospitable rocks in the South Atlantic, were uninhabited before Europeans landed there. I believe Spain was there first, but the current population are all of British descent. (BTW- it was by "The Right Of Might" that Argentina tried to take the Fawklands!) The people of the Fawklands aren't just British in name. They are culturally, AND ethnically British. I believe people anywhere should have the right to choose who governs them- that is one thing I stand headfast by. The people of the Fawklands never chose to be conquered by an evil Argentinian dictator whose goal was to cover up domestic failiure and boost his ratings by declaring war. The war was just an Argentinian publicity stunt- the islands only resources are sheep- controlling the islands won't contribute to the well being of the Argentinian people... It was all one stupid stunt- a stunt to make the government popular that resulted in the loss of life! |
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Post by Wycco on Apr 2, 2003 13:45:52 GMT -5
Srrh...
You're right- a friend would try to stop you doing something foolish... BUT they wouldn't want to see you get seriously hurt if YOU DID make a wrong decision.
After all- Saddam DOES need to go... perhaps you disagree with the way the US is pursuing his removal- but to wish them to fail is NOT being a friend to the US.
Saddam IS a much bigger evil than Bush!
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Post by daSilva on Apr 2, 2003 14:04:16 GMT -5
Some people are REALLY political retards....and to think they have a right to vote...no wonder we're in such deep shit... I remain, S... LOL, are you calling the French political retards? |
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Post by Srrh on Apr 2, 2003 14:53:51 GMT -5
Some of them ? Hell yea! How else do you explain the 53%?
What about the 25% who voted for jeanmarie lepen and his National aFront ?
It's either that or fascist reactionnaries...
political retard is nicer....
S....
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Post by daSilva on Apr 2, 2003 14:57:54 GMT -5
I think politically challenged is more PC. Hehehe. ;D
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Post by justan1 on Apr 2, 2003 19:16:53 GMT -5
www.brojon.org/frontpage/FRENCH_TOAST.htmlAfter reading this if true  but some how I can believe at least some of it. Now Danny Boy should read that. It makes more sense than the Jewish conspiracy theory. BTW: France to be cut out of post-war contracts if Iraq loses France loses Billions. France supplies food to the US Marines worth around 900,000,00.00 a yr gone France wine sales to US worth around 1,000,000,000.00 a yr under pressure. Lesson don't piss off the States once started hard to stop.
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Post by justan1 on Apr 2, 2003 19:29:13 GMT -5
That should be 900,000,000.00 above for France. sorry about that.
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Post by who won on Apr 2, 2003 19:33:24 GMT -5
Falklands are inhabited by people who are British and consider themselves British. The right the UK had in defending those islands was borne out of the right of self defence against an aggressor nation who invaded the islands.
Any proof the French provided munitions to the Argentinans during the war? I would be surprised, I have not heard that before anywhwere.
As for the US in Iraq, I hate the rhetoric coming from the US,
"we did not choose this war"
yeah, bullshit. You did. It was on your hit list and no matter what Sadaam did you were going in to war.
The US does deserve to get itself a bloody nose.
It needs to reconsider its foreign policy as one that assumes it has the right to demand any other country do what it says or it will invade and remove the government.
Now we're in the midst of encouraging even more hatred toward the west, even from anti Sadaam Arabs. We are despised we are seen as colonialists and people who previously merely despised us are now coming up in arms to fight us.
If this war was designed to make the world safer then it has had entirely opposite effect.
We're going to be left with an Afghanistan situation in Iraq. The same situation that arose as a result of the war with Russia.
A millitant hardened more ruthless society whose sole reason for existence is to attack and kill Americans, to remove them from holy soil.
Ruled by bandits and fighters.
Yes, that is a worst case scenario, but unless this war is concluded quickly, then we're in for a disaster with increased hatred toward us, and we can all look forward to that.
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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 2, 2003 21:10:58 GMT -5
Who Won
Exorcet (spelling) missiles were supplied to the Argentineans by the French and used to sink HMS Sheffield.
I personally see nothing wrong with the French or their actions, it is supposed to be a free world after all.
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Post by To Justan on Apr 2, 2003 21:33:15 GMT -5
Didn't the US ensure that French were defeated in 56 when they went in to reclaim access to the suez canal after Naseer nationalized it?
I think the French are still reeeling from that. Was the first time that their role in the world had been firmly undermined by the US foreign policy.
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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 2, 2003 21:43:37 GMT -5
Srrh
It is possible that the question asked to get a 53% only vote, was along the lines of "Do you want Sadam removed by an American led act of aggression"
You can make a survey say anything you want, it is the way the questions are asked. As a rule of thumb, it is best to NEVER answer questions to a survey. Just tell them to FCUK OFF, it is an invasion of your privacy and the results may well be doctored anyway.
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Post by JWK on Apr 3, 2003 0:31:43 GMT -5
Srrh- The Fawklands, a couple of infertile, inhospitable rocks in the South Atlantic... ...The war was just an Argentinian publicity stunt- the islands only resources are sheep- controlling the islands won't contribute to the well being of the Argentinian people... It was all one stupid stunt- a stunt to make the government popular that resulted in the loss of life! I just thought id point out that as soon as you draw a 200km wide radius around the islands(as is your right by law to claim) it becomes a politicallly and militarily very important inhospitable hunk of rock. In the far east, there are several hunks of rock that are still under contention, one inbetween china, japan, and the republic of china(taiwan) is disputed by the above named, for its fishing, the 200 km wide berth of water they would get to controll and just for pride. A similar story at the northern tip of Japan where the Japanese controll islands in between themselves and russia. Russia claims these to be russian territory, not because of the importance to the people, but so the russians could open a port for its navy. But since the Japanese controll the islands, the russians could not legally move its navy through the waters right on its coastline! |
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