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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 8, 2003 10:36:41 GMT -5
Whatever freedom there was, died today. The americans have decided that if you try and show the realities of their act of aggression in Iraq, you will be targeted and killed with all your equipment destroyed. Good luck to Al Jazeera, Abu Dhabi and other television companies trying to bring the truth to our screens. BBC and the vast majority of the others, hang your heads in shame.
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Post by Topcontender on Apr 8, 2003 10:53:29 GMT -5
What happened, I hear people were firing from these buildings? If that is true their ass is fair game. Those media people got to understand that if you are going to run back and forth telling the story they are going to take thier lives in their own hands.
Danny- if there was no shots from the building, that is not good. But Iraq has killed like 5 journalist too. Both sides have made mistakes.
As for the car being marked, I think the USA is past that. To many suicide bombers under the disguise of peace have ruined that. Al Jazeera better get out of the way or do as they are told and follow our directions.
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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 8, 2003 11:02:39 GMT -5
TC you probably don’t get the coverage we get; The HQ of Al Jazerra and Abu Dhabi were both attacked by american planes this morning in Baghdad. There is no reason for a tank to fire on a sniper (even if there was on) and how would an Iraqi tank get on the 14 floor. I don’t think the Iraqis have killed any jurno’s. The 2 Spanish reporters were killed by American fire as were all the others killed today.
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Post by daSilva on Apr 8, 2003 11:03:40 GMT -5
I didn't hear you complaining when British or American journos were killed.
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Post by Topcontender on Apr 8, 2003 12:07:12 GMT -5
A few of the journalists were killed by iraq, i know these are tragic, but if you stand in the line of fire you will get hurt. These journalist can't stand right next to a tank and not expect to not get shot at.
The report we are getting was that the sniper was shooting a RPG. If this is true i can see why we shot at him with a tank.
We have already said to these journalist, that they better not stand next to tha iraqi troops.
side note, Iraqi TV has been playing becuase Iraq bought satilite time from a few arabic networks. The US has told these networks not to play the propaganda. Maybe Adu dhabi tv and Al Jazerra were the networks playing this stuff. If this is true i can see why the US bombed the HQ's like we did in aphganistan
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Post by alexmd on Apr 8, 2003 12:51:04 GMT -5
evidently if iraquis retaliate by atacking the CNN HQ it would be a "terror act" Stiring the piss... I'm on my way out.
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Post by justan on Apr 8, 2003 13:32:20 GMT -5
evidently if iraquis retaliate by atacking the CNN HQ it would be a "terror act" Stiring the piss... I'm on my way out. Not if coalition troops were firing at Iraqi troops from CNN's HQ It's a freaking war zone guys. What makes the press feel that they should have a free pass if they are with the combatants as a human sheild.
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Post by alexmd on Apr 8, 2003 14:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by Topcontender on Apr 8, 2003 14:57:27 GMT -5
If CNN is broadcasting in a building while the USA is on top shooting at Iraqis, then those CNN guys better not bitch if they get hit.
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Post by Henrik on Apr 8, 2003 16:01:05 GMT -5
Problem is that it is difficult to really know what happened. Each side will present the situation in their own favour.
What is clear is that all the journalists that are there are risking their lives, and I would think they know as much. Usually the type of journalists that go and cover war zones get a real rush out of being in the line of fire, in the same way a race car driver gets a rush out of driving at 350kmh. They all know it is dangerous.
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Post by eso on Apr 8, 2003 18:52:36 GMT -5
Freedom of the press in ANY mass media has been a myth for decades. There is a propaganda war raging right along side the bullets and shells and anyone who thinks either side is reporting the truth is incredibly naive. Question Authority eso
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Post by justan on Apr 8, 2003 21:18:41 GMT -5
If one really thinks about it, the notion that the US would target the Arab reporters deliberately does not make much sense at all.
Personally I think the soldiers were shot at. They ID'ed that building, end of story. It wasn't a Mosque, it wasn't a school so they protected themselves. After all people are trying to kill them.
I agree with Henrik.
The reporters knew what they were getting into. They were there of their own volition. No one twisted their arms to go.
I think it was Winston Churchill who said I could be paraphrasing it a bit.
" The most exhilirating feeling in life is when some one fires at you
.......................................................and misses."
I really feel for and pity those that have no choice but to be there. Those poor souls who were born there and have lived through Hussein and the previous wars.
Those who now find themselves in the middle of this hell which we call war. I just pray that the aftermath of all of this is not more infighting by the various groups who put their personal agenda above the common good.
regards
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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 8, 2003 21:44:58 GMT -5
How is a "TANK" ever under danger from a sniper, a sniper that none of the reporters at the Hotel heard or saw by the way? If there are no reporters at the seine, how are we going to get any reporting of the true picture? not from press briefings that’s for sure. My bitch about the BBC and some of the other serious news organizations, (forget Sky and any american channel, we know they are only interested in portraying propaganda) is that they are toeing their governments line and only showing what they, their governments, deem politically correct. The only reporter whose death could be arbitrated to the Iraqis so far, is the guy who got killed when he stood on a land mine. All the others have been killed by American troops, other than the car bomb that killed a reporter in Kurdish controlled Iraq.
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Post by justan on Apr 9, 2003 8:04:28 GMT -5
The US theory of tactical war is use a sledgehammer to crack a nut, not a nut cracker.
If the guy in the tank picked the wrong building, what can be said a terrible mistake.
Reporters are our witness's in a free and democratic society.
I think some embedded reporters were killed by Iraqi fire. What about that Polish reporter and some one else who vanished in Southern Iraq?
Speaking of the press how are the Arab media reporting the celebrations in Baghdad, Basra and Erbil.
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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 9, 2003 9:16:27 GMT -5
Justan; At the moment Al Jazerra, Al Alam, Jordan pretty well all channels, are showing the statues of Sadam being pulled down/set on fire in Baghdad. They are also saying that Sadam may have left Tikrit for Moscow. They are all predicting mass riots/disorder for the next few weeks.
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