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Post by glendo on Feb 7, 2003 0:08:53 GMT -5
this topic has been dying to be born.. as it actually is a part of almost all of the other topics that exist in this potlitkal section.
so, let's start a generic all-round topic on the source.
my first issue:
why does american policies have to affect my life?
i live no closer than 10 000km away form the damn country. it is ridiculous that US politics affect other countries with their decisions that they base on their own domestic agendas. any foreign government that has the same affect to them is usually " taken care of". is it not obvious that they generally like to affect world politics of other nations and hate to be affected likewise?
and furthermore.. isnt it funny that their trade policies run along similar lines?
actually, even american social culture runs along similar lines(that's another subject).
more of this(much more) later.... anyone want to add to this topic?
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 7, 2003 0:37:12 GMT -5
Glendo; It effects you far more than you think; Why do you think an Ausie bar was chosen in Bali not the American bar 100 meters down the road? Would not have anything to do with the overwhelming Ausie "NO WAR In IRAQ" opinions would it.
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Post by Srrh on Feb 7, 2003 10:31:14 GMT -5
Well, I think it is only natural that America's only interest is America. It's called "raison d'état". We're noticing it more because there are no other states capable of balancing this agressive expansion like during the cold war...
Too bad for us, just as it was too bad if you were born an Ostrogoth during the heigth of the Roman Empire.
America is doing (what it thinks) is best for america. Period.
Altruism is not pre-required.
S..h
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Post by glendo on Feb 8, 2003 0:53:45 GMT -5
i would like to ask americans if they actually realise what it's government does beyond it's borders, and also do they know just how much they (the government) are despised?
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Post by daSilva on Feb 8, 2003 1:04:05 GMT -5
What would your country do in the same situation. No better I'm sure.
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Post by glendo on Feb 8, 2003 1:15:33 GMT -5
pure and simply.. my cuntry (with the exception of this iraq standoff) doesnt but in on world affairs anywhere near the levels of the USA. but, being a western world country, we are stained by the same brush or so to speak.
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Post by daSilva on Feb 8, 2003 1:20:36 GMT -5
Of course your country doesn't to the same extent because it doesn't have the money or the power, but if Australia did have that power I'm positive that they would rub it in everyone faces just like you do with sports. ;D
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Post by glendo on Feb 8, 2003 1:31:02 GMT -5
well, it seems to be an english speakin-western world thing.. it will be the death of us.
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Post by guest on Feb 8, 2003 12:31:24 GMT -5
Even if it is the case it really doesnt mean a whole lot but, any evidence available about there being an american bar 100 yards down the road from the aussie one that was targetted?
I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of tourists in any bar in Bali are Australians followed by Europeans, for every 50 of those you might find an American in Bali.
And what is it you are trying to suggest by saying that Danny Boy? Are you saying it was targetted by the same people who want to pursue the war in Iraq? (The American Government) of course you are, what bull.
Do you really think even if that whole preamble about the anti war sentiment in Australia resulting in the targetting of an Aussie bar is correct that the US would feel the desperate need to bomb them. Why do they need to bother with such an action and give a damn about Aussie feelings? This thread already starts with the suggestion that it doesn't care what anyone thinks.
How do your theories fit in with the fact that the Indonesian authorities have arrested the main figures behind the attack?
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Post by glendo on Feb 9, 2003 0:17:47 GMT -5
who has to hide there identity to express something? that is not the case here.. and i find it sad that we believe we must do so.
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 9, 2003 6:51:08 GMT -5
Mr. Guest; Do the foot solders always know who the generals are? Here are 2 things I know 1 Some of the suicide bombings in Israel were plotted by Israelis who have infiltrated Hamas. 2 The Police in Omah (Northern Ireland) moved the people into the bomb location not away from it, when they received the warning. Did I say it was the American government in Bali? The people, who I believe were responsible for Bali, have far more power than the American government.
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Post by glendo on Feb 12, 2003 22:46:56 GMT -5
New World Order?
anyone here think as i do, and believe the USA is after total world domination?
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Post by Danny Boy on Feb 12, 2003 23:52:30 GMT -5
New World Order? anyone here think as i do, and believe the USA is after total world domination? how could you believe such a thing ;D
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Post by Henrik on Feb 14, 2003 2:46:29 GMT -5
Seems to me things are beginning to really get out of hand...
Saw some interesting images from the US senate yesterday. There was one senator saying something like:
"...and our website is translated in to 7 different languages, one of which is this obscure little used one...French!"
With Rumsfeld chuckling...
These are the top of the people running the country, and very public figures. It is not the average Joe in the street.
Throw in the growing attitude with some Americans to boycott French products. Looks like the Bush statement from after ep 11 "Either you are with us, or you are against us" is really catching on. Some people believe that because the French (and I suppose a majority of the world's population) do not agree with the US, it is necessary to boycott their products. Is this to force them to join? Or is it to punish them for not thinking alike?
And to think that there are still some Americans that can't understand the growing anti-American sentiment in the world.
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Post by glendo on Feb 14, 2003 2:58:38 GMT -5
2 articles i have watched on TYV in the last 24hrs.. 1. Newshour. A panel of "experts who are debating whether Hans Blix is doing a good enough job (the main argument being that he is looking towards "co-operation from Iraq instead of an "adverserial" perpective (more to the US liking)). 2. Some democrats have slammed US governent on haveing spent near US$2B on the build up of war, and months of planning... yet only 3 weeks and $15 million on humanitarian post-war Iraq. Add to this that they are refusing private organisations (amnesty etc) from gathering governent assistance(logistics etc). they also say that their occupation of Iraq is most likely be up to 10 years! (world war 3 will start form this). the Opposition government already planning to run Iraq is having difficulties with the americans already... seems to be about a black gooey liquid!
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