Solutions for the Middle-East conflict

[Srrh]

Ok, this is not a finger pointing thread... :Freak:
The idea is to trade and discuss possible solutions for the conflict in the middle east.
I'll start by the easy one: Israel should nuke em'all.

"It's horrible"you all scream (except TC, of course, who's not one of you "heart bleeding liberal".lol) Well ,no. Why?
Think about it.
I, for one, am deeply saddened and angered by the horror and misery the Jewish citizens of this world had to endure. No group has consistently seen more death and torture come their way then the Jews, at the hand of a bigotry that has lasted not just centuries, but at least a millenium.
What amazes me is not the nature of this hatered, after all ethnic wars seem to be a fact of life, but the consistency with which it has been passed down, for thousands of years.
Hate isn't like a grandfather clock. you can't pass it on. if my grand father had hated "brtis" I'd have no way of knowing about it. And yet, somehow, the hatered of jews has been passed down like a language to so many people...
It will never end.
So the Jewish state should nuke all its neighbor to their seventy virgins (not wifes beef, virgins!!) as an act of pre-self-defense.
Europe and the US will do nothing as their still on a guilt trip from 50 years.

So what says you ? What is your solution?

Srrh

[beefburger]

Well that could solve the problem, or we could nuke Israel too. Either side would do.

So, thats the easiest and probably best solution. But we cant do that, so instead what shall we do?

The other solution is actually quite simple, both sides want peace and both sides need to compromise for that. PA will not get everything it wants and Israel will not get everything it wants, but the thing Israel needs before it can give up anything is security!

There has been plenty enough evidence that Israel has enough enemies whose goal is not merely statehood but destruction of Israel.
If the Authority could ensure an effort from its side If Syria would stop supporting Hezzbullah and Iran Hamas then positive steps could be made!

Before we get onto the solution for the middle east, why dont we start with far far easier questions like Ireland and Catalunya. Once we've solved them, then we can move on to the more difficult questions like Zimbabwe and then eventually onwards and upwards to the Middle East problem!

The solution, yea right, we're going to come up with a solution here.

peace is the solution, peace from both sides, and neither side can offer it nor wants it.

[beefburger]

I do have another solution

We use a mind rubber, burn all the history books, and then mix up all of the people (in a bowl) pour them back out over all of the territory and start again with fresh memories,

also one more solution,

pump marijuana into the air, for the next 5 years.

[da_silva]

If the US really want to police the world and create "a new world order" they need to get very involved here.  Seperate Israel and Palestine and have US troops constantly monitor the situation, the Israelis can't be trusted to do the job themselves, and the sacrifices of Martyrs must also come to an end.  It may take 25 years of constant US and UN policing but I think it's the only way to end the cycle of violence.

[da_silva]

I also like Beefs Mary Jane solution, hell I'd move to Israel.  

[Henrik]

Lol at da silva moving to Israel!

Beef, rather than Catalunya, should that not be about the Basque area?

[BrainFade]

I am in full support of Beef's motion to keep it irie. Can you imagine getting up the nerve to blow yourself up when you're totally blunted? I don't think so.

There don't seem to be many solutions to a conflict that goes back for thousands of years. What I don't understand is why they're all fighting over such shitty desert land. It's dry, ugly, arid and generally not a nice place to be... I would understand if they were fighting over the French riviera or something.  

[da_silva]

LOL@Brainfade.   8)

[RacerX]

Two things da silva:

First, condolences to your fellow countrymen (Four, I believe) that passed away today.  It is a terrible thing.

Second: Why does everyone expect the U.S. to be the worlds policeman, but then everyone seems to hate the U.S. for doing such?  Kind of a catch-22.  I know I'm very ignorant of the worlds problems, but sometimes I think people should solve their own problems.  If they need a moderator, great, go get a NEUTRAL moderator.  Everyone comes to the U.S., and believe me THEY (we) aren't Neutral!!!  It seems we always have our best interests in mind...LOL, funny how that works.

I get so angered at our own Government, sticking their noses into so many other's business in the name of "protecting our interests".....horsesh*t.

I say carry a big, giant stick.....use it accordingly, with humility, and consistancy!  Most important.  Have it, let them know in advance that you'll use it if threatened, and then USE it when needed.

What's the big stick?  Well, I hate war, I feel it's the epitomy of ignorance, and the loss of human life is the worst possible thing. So.....what do you do?  If your enemy is one that has NO RESPECT for life, then Nuke'em.  Period.  It will teach them real quick, a respect for life.  Sad but true.

Talk about survival mode....it's messed up, but if I were Pres......and some organization threatened the people of my country.....I'd talk, then I'd warn, then I'd dispose.  I assure you, I would NOT risk the life of ONE of my countryman.  Period.

Is that selfish?  I don't know...but I'd be fair in the execution of it all.

How can you talk about fair, when talking about killing people....it's all so messed up.  I can't imagine how Truman must have felt when he dropped the bomb.  Shit, close your eyes and push the button....right?(Sarcasm)

There really is no easy solution, people first have to respect life, themselves, then life, then others.  Then they can be reasoned with & solutions found.  If they don't respect themselves, they won't ever respect others or life in general...thus they're beyond reason, so BANG....you do away with them.  Wuff, kind of makes me a hypocritical bastard.....

Later,
RacerX

[da_silva]

Rx,

I'm of the opinion that if you are the biggest toughest kid in the playground you have three options:

1. Do nothing until threatened (as you suggest)
2. Bully everyone and take what you want.
3. Use your power to create order and harmony

I know the US haven't asked for this responsibility but as the most powerful nation on the planet I believe it has been thrust upon you.  Now you have to use that power wisely, and I think by choosing option number three you would be doing the world a service.  Granted you're not going to make everyone happy, but what sort of legacy do you want to leave the world.

[da_silva]

I'd also like to say thx for the condolences.

Also I'm proud to live in the country which is closest to the USA physically as well as economically and emotionally.

 

[Srrh]

Ok, I started this by writting what I thought the solution for Israel should be...(nuke'em all, with the blessing of the )
Now to  spin off on da_silva's idea, here is the solution I have for the US.
First of all it's not in the US interest that any "nukin" should take place...it would screw the world for a long time and bunch of people would look like this :Freak:
So this circus has to end 1)peacefuly 2)for good 3)NOW!!!
So this is what you do...(Georges??Are you listening. Turn the little league baseball game off. Look at me when I talk to you!!!)
First, congress informs Israel that  it has 30 days to end the bloodshed, or the 3 billion $ annual aid given to Israel is cut-off. Israel bitches about the fact that "the arabs are doing it too", congress answers (firmly) that the US doesn't give 3 billions a year to Syria or Lebanon. S othere is not a whole lot the US can do about it. Since this is US money, the Us considers itself partly responsible for the oppression, killing and apartheid created in Israel's occupied territory. But no more, out in 30 days or kiss the dough good bye.
Second, If Israel wants to keep receiving american tax payer's money, Israel will be given 2 years (I pulled that out of a hat) to work out a plan with the palestinian to create a state called Palestine. Meanwhile in return for its help, congress should impose on the palestinian constitution the prohibition of agression on the jewish state and a guaranteed democratic process.
Then, the US should use all it's power in the UN (yes, the evil world govt.lol) to have an international commitment  to defend Israel against any one waging war on it. And I mean massive reteliations here folks....

This is what the US should do, but Georges fell asleep....

Srrh

[Topcontender]

That might be an idea ,but it can't happen.

1 you can't set a timeline for peace. I know you pulled the 2 years out of a hat, but setting a timeline won't get us anywhere. The muslims will get pissed and the jews would never agree either.

2. NO way in hell the US will ever pull that aid money from isreal. The person that even wispers that in congress will be branded a NAZI. I know what you are implying and i do agree, but nobody will say it or even attempt to do it. they will have no support.

[Srrh]

TC, you are indeed very negative: think positive dude. lol
Feel the posisitve vibes and the karmik energy...errrr, sorry!
;D
OK, so my proposition for Israel, was to nuke its neigboors, you guys didn't like it.
So I proposed something for the US to do, but then TC went all negative on me...
Fine, here comes my solution for Arafat and the Palestinian. If you guys still don't like it, I'll retire in my little Montana shak.
I know how to end the killing on both side AND end-up with a palestininan state as a bonus!!!
My proposal is not new, but so revolutionary that it will flip out every Israeli right winger...Best of all it involves no armies, no money and no UN resolution. It's cheap and proven to work.
It's called massive nonviolent civil disobedience. It worked for M.L.King, Ghandi and Mandela. So here it what Arafat should do:

1)Sit your ass down.
Instead of Israel always shuting down the borders to Gaza and the west bank, You, Chairman Arafat shut THEM down. No Israeli will be able to get to his "settlement". No Israeli will be able to transport his goods. No var can drive over mounds of thousands.
If you are afraid for the life of your people Mr.Chairman, call CNN and embrace the wonderful world of public relations. Either way you'll end up with FAR fewer dead Palestinians then under the current "plan".

2)Call a general and total strike.
That's it. Refuse to work for the Israelis. Their economy is based on the near slavelabor Palestinians provide.
Don't do it anymore!! Israel needs Pelstinian to break their back for them for substandard wages.

Of course, Mr Arafat, Israelis will beat you. Of course they will drag you women by the hair. They will sic dogs on you and even shoot you with live amunition but it will not last.

Think about it. A few years back (when exactly? Anyone?) over a million Israelis attended a "Peace Now" rally in Tel Aviv. Think about it...A Million!!!! Palestinians have a potential million jewish allies: a millions "enemies" will come to the help of palestinians if it is done in a non-violent way.

Ok my dear "co-forumers", so what say you ? What's wrong with this idea?lol

Srrh

[beefburger]

srrh

if only thats what they would do, they'd get a lot further, however I disagree with you about the response Israel would supposedly have. One of us is wrong, whatever.

The problem with your idea though, is simply that its not going to happen, even if Arafat believed it a good idea and decided to organise a peaceful demonstration he's not going to convince the maniacal terrorists that this is the right approach.

How would they possibly get hold of their 72 virgin brides without murdering people? - It cant be done.

I might add, there was a 50,000 strong peace march in London recently organised by the Jewish community included non Jews and Muslims too. Every placard called for peace and a stop to the killing on both sides. Unfortunately, there was a rowdy counter demonstration, supporters of the PLO and a free Palestine etc, they were calling for death to Jews calling for death to Americans and some British MP,s

these are the kinds of people they are having to deal with!