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Post by rick1776 on Aug 14, 2003 18:39:42 GMT -5
Couldnt help myself and wrote an email to www.answersingenisis.org, you should visit the site if you are interested in the truth. LOL I asked why it was improper to know your wife during here unclean time. To my surprise the answer i got was quite moderate and reasonable. However this little added bit was a bonus: "Most Christians understand the Old Testament law as only being binding on pre-Christian Jews—consider for example the specified end-of-menstruation sacrifice of two doves (Leviticus 15:29–30)." Hands up all you women out there. Have you regularly been killing two doves after that special time of the month has passed? No?? Shame on you, now go out there and slay those nasty evil doves. I know there must have been a logical reason to kill two doves, but for the life of me I cant think of one at the moment. cheers rick1776 |
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Post by worthless on Aug 14, 2003 19:07:56 GMT -5
:DLMAO!!!!  You're on a roll, rick- lol!!! Alright, while I have always enjoyed the 'simplicities of being male' I have never heard any female counterparts sacrificing two doves..... But to answer your question, you'll find that throughout the Bible there are references to "sacrificing two doves." It's in both the Old and the New Testaments. What happens throughout the New Testament is that the authors will reference the Old. Kinda like saying "Minardi were planning on running a suspension like the FW14." We would assume they meant active suspensions. But someone "not-in-the-know" would be wondering what the hell a 'fw14' was. Well there is probably a similar reference or meaning for the "two doves." (although I don't think the Moses was running any active suspensions - I'll look into it). With the sacrificing, it is seen as an act of atonement. Quite simply, if you do something wrong, then you must punish yourself and sacrifice something of value (thus the poor doves come in). Now I am guessing that a woman's 'quiet time' was seen as sinful - thus in need of some dire - you guessed it - atonement. Many New Testament scholars consider the references in there as a way of foreboding the "sacrifice that Christ was to make on the cross." A way of saying that Christ is giving up his life for you - and you can't sacrifice something for him? And that isn't necessarily meaning kill a couple of birds or simply giving up a material possession either. It's meant figuratively. It's all really in the context of how/what/when/why it was written, not to mention who it was written for. And I would guess that it was written for me or for you.  Face it, rick. We're all going to hell. ;D   ....I'll leave now...... Is it getting hot in here? |
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Post by Wycco on Aug 15, 2003 7:21:01 GMT -5
Furthermore- The bible is full of slang: Take for instance someone being turned to salt. Being turned to salt was an old hebrew expression meaning "To become Unfertile"- so is the bible really saying God turned people into pillars of salt- or is the bible using idioms of the day? Hard to say- but most likely it means he was making people unfertile. What about Jonah and the whale? First off- it doesn't say "whale" in the original scripts- it says "big fish" (and we all know whales are mamels...  ) - seriously though, is this another case of idioms and clever writings... scholars know from other ancient texts predating the bible that being "swallowed by a big fish" was slang for being "in deep shit"... So was Jonah swallowed- or was he just in trouble with God- and that whole section of the bible just full of "clever idioms" and double meanings? Does two doves mean two doves- or was it slang? Don't know, and we may never know what the original authors intended. Oh one last example from the "New" testament... the word that describes "Mary" as a virgin- actually doesn't mean "virgin" in the original language it means "Young unmarried woman" (usually assumed to mean virgin). BUT- the original texts don't really specify Mary as a virgin... the translations just make that assumption. |
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Post by Senninha on Aug 15, 2003 8:06:29 GMT -5
Oh one last example from the "New" testament... the word that describes "Mary" as a virgin- actually doesn't mean "virgin" in the original language it means "Young unmarried woman" (usually assumed to mean virgin). BUT- the original texts don't really specify Mary as a virgin... the translations just make that assumption. Yeah, there was a program on TV a few months ago - maybe around Christmas I think - about Mary, and what kind of person she could have been. It was very wishy-washy and seemed to be full of theories and little fact, which was disappointing, but it was interesting nevertheless, and they brought up the subject of her not being a virgin. It was suggested she could have been raped by a Roman soldier (this is where they started getting wishy-washy), or that Joseph could have indeed been the father but got her pregnant before they were married, and they seemed happy to portray Mary as being a very young girl, say 14 or whatever. It was a bit of a weird program though, not really a documentary, just full of presumptions and very incomplete, but I now see the irony, that where the bible was written to explain the things which people of the time didn't understand, we are now redefining the bible to make sense of the things which we don't understand (the miracles) that are in there... |
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Post by Wycco on Aug 15, 2003 8:42:21 GMT -5
One sensible thing the Muslims believe is that the Koran is only correct if read in Arabic, the original text.
That gets around the inaccuracies due to translations!
BTW- Mary may well have been a "virgin" in the eyes of whoever first transcribed the bible- makes other passages make more sense if she were. I'm not saying she wasn't- just stating the original wording did not specify "virgin".
Who knows what else got changed- or where else idioms are used...etc...etc.
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Post by smokingun on Aug 15, 2003 14:45:47 GMT -5
That part about Mary being a virgin is a bit touchy for us catholics. i'm not saying that we shouldn't discuss it, maybe we should, but personally it does not feel right with me. Mother Mary is loved and respected as a mother. how many of us would like to have our mothers virtue questioned and joked about??
i beleive in the Immaculate Conception, just as i beleive that Jesus did indeed rise from the dead.
mario
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