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Post by rick1776 on Jul 31, 2003 8:53:15 GMT -5
Seninha,
were talking about important stuff here, it is no place for a woman and her thoughts. Now off to the kitchen with you. LOL
Oh and by the way I want one of my ribs back if you dont mind.
Cant half tell the bible is a male's own almanac.
cheers
rick1776
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Post by rick1776 on Jul 31, 2003 8:55:30 GMT -5
Sorry Im on a roll. Go to that site I mentioned and look up their explanation of the dinosaurs. Apparently Noah did take two of every kind of animal on the ark.
Too funny.
cheers
rick1776
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Post by Senninha on Jul 31, 2003 9:03:40 GMT -5
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Post by Wycco on Jul 31, 2003 9:24:07 GMT -5
look up their explanation of the dinosaurs. OK... Crap they're right- since there was no labels on the bones- LOL- I must convert now! No person alive on this planet saw Jesus reborn for that matter. So by their theory- Jesus can't be as they portray him either. In another spot they bash carbon-dating: stating there was mass volcanic erruption during the flood- pumping extra carbon into the atmosphere and messing up isotope ratios. Do they not realise if this were the case- to alter carbon dating from thousands of years to hundreds of millions of years- there would have to be so much carbon in the atmosphere that a) we run into -runaway greenhouse planet scenario. b) Every living animal on earth would die from suffocation- the carbon wouldn't be absorbed- because to absorb the carbon- we would have to eat plants- and if we're dead- eating is difficult. Oh well... some real funny stuff on that web site- thanks Rick- I needed the laugh! |
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Post by Topcontender on Jul 31, 2003 10:13:09 GMT -5
In an effort to explain inconsistencies in the Old Testament, there developed in Jewish literature a complex interpretive system called the midrash which attempts to reconcile biblical contradictions and bring new meaning to the scriptural text.
Employing both a philological method and often an ingenious imagination, midrashic writings, which reached their height in the 2nd century CE, influenced later Christian interpretations of the Bible. Inconsistencies in the story of Genesis, especially the two separate accounts of creation, received particular attention. Later, beginning in the 13th century CE, such questions were also taken up in Jewish mystical literature known as the Kabbalah.
According to midrashic literature, Adam's first wife was not Eve but a woman named Lilith, who was created in the first Genesis account. Only when Lilith rebelled and abandoned Adam did God create Eve, in the second account, as a replacement. In an important 13th century Kabbalah text, the Sefer ha-Zohar ("The Book of Splendour") written by the Spaniard Moses de Leon (c. 1240-1305), it is explained that:
At the same time Jehovah created Adam, he created a woman, Lilith, who like Adam was taken from the earth. She was given to Adam as his wife. But there was a dispute between them about a matter that when it came before the judges had to be discussed behind closed doors. She spoke the unspeakable name of Jehovah and vanished.
In the Alpha Betha of Ben Sira (Alphabetum Siracidis, or Sepher Ben Sira), an anonymous collection of midrashic proverbs probably compiled in the 11th century C.E., it is explained more explicitly that the conflict arose because Adam, as a way of asserting his authority over Lilith, insisted that she lie beneath him during sexual intercourse (23 A-B). Lilith, however, considering herself to be Adam's equal, refused, and after pronouncing the Ineffable Name (i.e. the magic name of God) flew off into the air.
Adam, distraught and no doubt also angered by her insolent behaviour, wanted her back. On Adam's request, God sent three angels, named Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, who found her in the Red Sea. Despite the threat from the three angels that if she didn't return to Adam one hundred of her sons would die every day, she refused, claiming that she was created expressly to harm newborn infants. However, she did swear that she would not harm any infant wearing an amulet with the images and/or names of the three angels on it.
At this point, the legend of Lilith as the "first Eve" merges with the earlier legend of Sumero-Babylonian origin, dating from around 3,500 BCE, of Lilith as a winged female demon who kills infants and endangers women in childbirth. In this role, she was one of several mazakim or "harmful spirits" known from incantation formulas preserved in Assyrian, Hebrew, and Canaanite inscriptions intended to protect against them. As a female demon, she is closely related to Lamashtu whose evilness included killing children, drinking the blood of men, and eating their flesh. Lamashtu also caused pregnant women to miscarry, disturbed sleep and brought nightmares.
In turn, Lamshtu is like another demonized female called Lamia, a Libyan serpent goddess, whose name is probably a Greek variant of Lamashtu. Like Lamashtu, Lamia also killed children. In the guise of a beautiful woman, she also seduced young men. In the Latin Vulgate Bible, Lamia is given as the translation of the Hebrew Lilith (and in other translations it is given as "screech owl" and "night monster").
It needs to be remembered that these demonic "women" are essentially personifications of unseen forces invented to account for otherwise inexplicable events and phenomena which occur in the real world. Lilith, Lamashtu, Lamia and other female demons like them are all associated with the death of children and especially with the death of newborn infants.
It may be easily imagined that they were held accountable for such things as Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS, also called crib death, or cot death) where an apparently healthy infant dies for no obvious reason. Cot death occurs almost always during sleep at night and is the most common cause of death of infants. Its cause still remains unknown.
By inventing evil spirits like Lilith, Lamashtu, and Lamia, parents were not only able to identify the enemy but also to know what they had to guard against. Amulets with the names of the three angels were intended to protect against the power of Lilith.
Lilith also personified licentiousness and lust. In the Christian Middle Ages she, or her female offspring, the lilim, became identified with succubae (the female counterparts of incubi) who would copulate with men in their sleep, causing them to have nocturnal emissions or "wet dreams."
Again, Lilith and her kind serve as a way of accounting for an otherwise inexplicable phenomenon among men. Today, 85 percent of all men experience "wet dreams" (the ejaculation of sperm while asleep) at some time in their lives, mostly during their teens and twenties and as often as once a month. In the Middle Ages, celibate monks would attempt to guard against these nocturnal visits by the lilith/succubus by sleeping with their hands crossed over their genitals and holding a crucifix.
Through the literature of the Kabbalah Lilith became fixed in Jewish demonology where her primary role is that of strangler of children and a seducer of men. The Kabbalah further enhanced her demonic character by making her the partner of Samael (i.e. Satan) and queen of the realm of the forces of evil.
In this guise, she appears as the antagonistic negative counterpart of the Shekhinah ("Divine Presence"), the mother of the House of Israel. The Zohar repeatedly contrasts Lilith the unholy whorish woman with the Shekhinah as the holy, noble, and capable woman. In much the same way, Eve the disobedient, lustful sinner is contrasted with the obedient and holy Virgin Mary in Christian literature.
Through her couplings with the devil (or with Adam, as his succubus) Lilith gave birth to one hundred demonic children a day (the one hundred children threatened with death by the three angels). In this way, Lilith was held responsible for populating the world with evil.
If you ask how Lilith herself, the first wife of Adam, became evil, the answer lies in her insubordination to her husband Adam. It is her independence from Adam, her position beyond the control of a male, that makes her "evil."
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Wycco- you know those feminist concerts called "the lilith fair?" Well i believe they used "Lilith" as a sign of independence from man. So we get a concert for gay women.
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Post by Danny Boy on Jul 31, 2003 10:27:07 GMT -5
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Post by Srrh on Jul 31, 2003 12:27:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the link DB. Interesting read indeed !  S. |
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Post by rick1776 on Jul 31, 2003 19:53:51 GMT -5
DannyBoy,
Biblesexstories. Too good. If I were Jerry Springer Id get a hold of Lot's agent and get Lot and his two daughters on the show. The ratings would go through the roof. Lots daughters get poor old Lot pissed with wine and then have their way with him. Those naughty girls. Obviously not affected by brewers droop was old Lot.
cheers
rick1776
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