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Post by rick1776 on Jul 29, 2003 19:14:03 GMT -5
Interesting doco on SBS last night on the Iraqi war.
The Bush adminsitration needed to sell the concept of going to war with Iraq. But how do you persuade the American people? You hire a PR company to get the appropriate message across. What did it cost? A paltry 7.5 million. The "front line" media set, complete with tanks, Iraqi desert sand, command post etc only cost 250,000 to set up and certainly made me feel as if I was right there at the front when the "news" was being broadcast.
They interviewed a number of people, one of which was a senior CIA officer (name escapes me, but I taped the show). The CIA were told to find links between Suddam and Osama, this would be used to justify the war. We knew that none existed, he said. The last piece of evidence that gave Bush the green light to invade was the forged Niger document about selling Uranium to Iraq. We knew it was a forgery, and a rather bad one at that. It did not come out of our agency. When we tried to submitted a report saying it was a forgery, we were told it was too late and to can the report, the green light to invade had already been given.
The CIA officer quipped, "We used to call them the crazies (Bush's administration), the ones on the edge. They are now making our policies".
cheers
rick1776
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Post by daSilva on Jul 29, 2003 22:11:23 GMT -5
Ahem, bullshit! You just bought somebodies propaganda.
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Post by rick1776 on Jul 30, 2003 0:46:35 GMT -5
So where are the WMD. So where is the Niger Uranium, oh thats right they only attempted to buy it from Niger. So where is all the proof of the connection with Osama and Saddam?
It really boils down to the bullshit you choose to believe doesnt it?
I suppose you also believed President Johnson's reasons to invade Vietnam? Was that war ship really torpedoed by Vietnam? Seems to me the initial report got it wrong but by the time the correction was brought to Johnson attention, that in fact their ship had not been attacked, it was too late. Johnson had given the green light.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, or so it goes.
cheers
rick1776
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Post by DeadCat on Jul 30, 2003 2:58:56 GMT -5
Oh look rick, the US never claimed that Iraq had a conservative estimate of between 100 to 500 tonnes of chemical and biological weapons deployable in the field in 45 minutes, that is a lie...
And even if they did, it was never one of the reasons to go to war, the American people just wanted a regime change....
(DeadCat)
BTW, We all know that Saddam was really the one who masterminded the whole 9/11 thing....
BTW#2, if they find Saddam, they will kill him on sight. He has way to much information about his past associations with the US government and how they supplied him chemical weapons... (no they didn't, yes they did, no they didn't)
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Post by daSilva on Jul 30, 2003 7:30:34 GMT -5
BTW#2, if they find Saddam, they will kill him on sight. He has way to much information about his past associations with the US government and how they supplied him chemical weapons... (no they didn't, yes they did, no they didn't) Yes they did, throughout the Reagan years they supplied materials for the Iraq/Iran war. It's not what I believe, it's the fact that none of us have all of the information yet. I do hope that the US are vilified at the end of all of this, but I'm not sure of it. But apparantly Aussies know everything don't they. |
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Post by Topcontender on Jul 30, 2003 10:05:48 GMT -5
Saddam wont go to jail. This is a man worried about his place in history, and to be seen being carted off to the hague or a US jail is not gonna happen.
as for the PR firms, this is america and we hire PR firms for everything. Hell during the 2000 potus election, the firms had so much input that the decided what special words they would say, what clothes the candidate wore, and even told the gore to strip off his jacket at every speach to sex appeal.
the Uranium: the intel on the uranium was a collaboration of US,French, italian, and UK intel. only one document that was given to the italians (via a reporter) was the famous fake document. There was tons of other sources that claimed it was true. The reason why we have not seen the specific info is becuase the French intel is the best source, and Chirac will not release it. It is property of the french gov, and the only reason we know is becuase the UK was given the info, and it waqs passed to pres bush.
also, lets not go quoting unamed sources. Everytime the media quotes an unamed source they trun out to be some lowly employee pissed about thier job.
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Post by Wycco on Jul 30, 2003 10:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by justan on Jul 30, 2003 10:47:58 GMT -5
Impeach Bush
He lied to the American People
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Post by Topcontender on Jul 30, 2003 11:28:45 GMT -5
Yup French Intel, remember Niger is thier neck of the woods.
Bush never lied to anyone, he quoted the british intel and that intel is coming from the guys who dont like the USA, the FRENCH!!! Still today, everyone backs their info saying it is legit. The only reason this is even brought up, is becuase the democrats are trying to cling onto anything to tear away at bush.
Now Clinton and the USA went to war in Kosovo with claims of astronomical numbers of mass graves. So far we have not found very many, and that claim was really exagerated. Do i (who hates ol bubba) think that is worth impeachment, no. He took the info he had and packaged the deal in a way the americans wanted it.
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Post by eso on Jul 30, 2003 12:16:55 GMT -5
Any government that is capable of whitewashing the assassination of a president (JFK) is capable of any thing with 40 more years of practice.
The next step downward will be the PUBLIC rental of our military forces to whatever concern desires to access to foreign resources.
I find the media villification of bin Laden and Saddam quite interesting. Both have had very close CIA ties. Both have had major military campaigns waged against them. BOTH ARE STILL AT LARGE. Now anywhere that may purportedly be harboring them is fair game. How convenient.
eso
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Post by rick1776 on Jul 30, 2003 19:51:09 GMT -5
daSilva "But apparantly Aussies know everything don't they."
Well Im glad youve finally seen the light!! LOL.
Deadcat, I hope youre using a liberal dose of sarcasm?
"the American people just wanted a regime change...."
I hope they dont do a similar poll in Iraq and ask them if they would like the American regime changed. What do you think the answer might be? So given THAT answer, does it then make it legitimate to overthrow Bush?
Is Australia immune from all wrong doings? No, no way. I do however vote according to what my conscience tells me is just or unjust. Will little Jonhnny Howard get my vote at the next election. No, no way.
cheers
rick1776
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Post by glendo on Jul 31, 2003 1:04:56 GMT -5
being anti-religious, and generally a neutral person, all to aware of media and governemnt propoganda, it was blatantly obvious from the start:
Bush wanted Iraq. He needed a reason.--> he invented one.
i praise the intelligenceof members in this forum. dont tell me that you didnt see it coming.
years to come, it will all be unveiled... but by then, iraq will have a democratic government indebted to the US, and will the latest global puppet.
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Post by Topcontender on Jul 31, 2003 10:22:02 GMT -5
Rick- the Iraqis did a poll asking who they liked more, the Saddam Regime or the USA. 50% would not vote for fear that saddam would get them. However, those who voted said that they liked the USA 36% and saddam 12%. It was a 3 to 1 margine of victory for the USA, and the scared people didn't vote or it would have been a bigger margine.
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Post by rick1776 on Jul 31, 2003 19:11:06 GMT -5
So the US only has to get rid, errr, replace err relocate 12% of the bad Iraqis and we have wholesale peace.
cheers
rick1776
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Post by eso on Jul 31, 2003 19:47:58 GMT -5
Rick,
How about "RE-educate"?
I hate say that I feel may country has become increasingly facsist during my lifetime. I wish it were not so.
eso
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