Post by El Sid on May 19, 2003 4:53:52 GMT -5
As I have mentioned before, we have the "Carte Blanche" TV programme here in SA and watching this on Sunday evenings has become a ritual in my case. This bit on the origins of man is awesome and possibly a bit frightning as it may turn a lot of beliefs upside down.
Check out this link if you like: www.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/
BTW, this is one looooong C&P so I'll have to split it.
Pyramid Star Maps
Date : 18 May 2003
Producer : Carol Albertyn
Presenter : Derek Watts, Ruda Landman
Genre : Weird and Wonderful
There are places on our Earth that are shrouded in secrets, mysterious monuments of ancient civilisations. Theories of why, how, when and by whom they were built abound. What message of our past is encoded in these structures?
Wayne Herschel: "I think the big thing in this message is an obsession to portray the origins of humankind."
Wayne Herschel makes concrete rock structures in Durban, a job that allows him enough free time to study the origins of humankind. He has no academic training, but has spent over 15 years researching ancient civilisations and has developed a very controversial theory of our beginnings.
Wayne: "Well, the people who built these great pyramids, the people that make up the bulk of religious texts, people that came from the sky, the celestial boats of Egypt, Ra, they would have had obviously the technology for space travel, to build this equipment, and yes, we are the descendants of those people."
Carte Blanche broadcast a remarkable story on the pyramids six years ago, which sparked Wayne's interest. The programme was based on Robert Bauval's book Keeper of Genesis, in which he alleged that the three pyramids of Giza were linked to the three stars in the Orion Belt.
Robert Bauval [from Carte Blanche 29 September 1996]: "And I was one evening with a few friends sitting on a dune in the desert, and one of my friends was a navigator. And we were talking about sea sailing, and he said, 'Let me show you how I use the stars. So one of the most important stars to look at in the sky is the bright star Sirius, and let me show you how you can find it'. And he said, 'If you look here, here is the constellation of Orion, here are the three best stars ... and if you follow them, if you follow a line downwards to the horizon you will see the star Sirius'. And suddenly I look at these three stars, and I was looking at them, and he said, 'Well, actually I told you they were in a row, but you probably notice that the smaller one is offset'. The word offset did it. The minute I heard 'offset' I began thinking, 'What is the offset of the three pyramids, why is the third pyramid offset of the other two?' and the two images merged in my mind."
Looking further, he discovered that the ancient Egyptians had given two other pyramid sites star names, and that there appeared to be a correlation between their sacred River Nile and the Milky Way.
Were they symbolically trying to replicate regions of the sky here on Earth?
Wayne had a feeling that that was precisely what they were trying to do. He knew that there were many more pyramids along the Nile and wondered whether they too formed some kind of a correlation with the stars.
Wayne "And I decided to get out an atlas - I was lucky to have reference books close by, and no computers at that time - but I ended up reproducing the maps on a grand scale, taking all the pyramids of lower Egypt, and taking the entire Milky Way as a whole, and put them next to each other and compare. That's as simple as it was."
Wayne was astonished when he saw at a glance that his layout of 63 pyramids along the Nile could be superimposed exactly on prominent star positions in the sky, along the Milky Way.
The top pyramid at Abu Roash represents Sirius and the pyramids are laid out with incredibly accurate geometry. The Southern Hemisphere stars are also included, so in effect the pyramids represent a complete circuit of the night sky around the Earth. The detail is remarkable. Even the size of the stars is reflected in the size of the pyramids.
Wayne: "Some are so small that you need advanced equipment to see, for example, take the Andromeda - you see the zoom-in of Andromeda, there are little group stars around the main sequence stars. Those group stars are even in the same position as the smaller pyramid ruins at Sikara."
These small stars are not visible to the naked eye. The ancients who built these pyramids must have had advanced technology to see into space.
One could argue, though, that given the billions of stars in the sky there would be endless permutations of points of lights that could link to the layout of the pyramids.
Wayne: "As somebody seeing this for the first time, I challenge them to look at the distances, the angles and the sizes - not just all 63 being perfectly in position. It's the whole clear picture. It's probably a billion-to-one chance."
If the pyramids were built in a specific layout, the obvious question to ask is, 'Why?' Wayne was determined to find the answer.
Wayne: "The journey then would take me to other pyramid cultures."
His first stop was Angkor Watt in Cambodia, where he found that the pyramid-like temples were also built to represent a star map.
Few know that Japan also has its own pyramids. One is the Kitora Kofun pyramid. Although Wayne did not find a layout of pyramids here, he did find an interesting drawing on the ceiling of the tomb.
Wayne: "They found a star map. It's not really known to the world, but what really excited me about the star map was the depiction of a cluster of stars in the shape of a thigh - the thigh of a bull - and this rang some bells in the back of my head."
In the research that Wayne has done through books and via the Internet, he noticed that there were many unusual references to the Pleiades. They are a group of stars that form the shape that many refer to as the leg of the bull, and curiously, they are found behind the head of the bull in the Taurus constellation.
Homer mentions this cluster of stars in the Odyssey, and the Bible has three references to the Pleiades. But it seems that there may even be much earlier records of its mention.
When scientists saw the 17 000-year-old cave painting of the bulls in Lascaux, France, some thought that the black dots could represent stars. In that interpretation, the three stars of Orion are just underneath the chin of the bull and the Pleiades is the cluster above the head.
Wayne also found many Sumerian scroll seals well over 5 000 years old with the same cluster of stars in the sky. Egyptology, it seems, is also obsessed with the Pleiades.
Wayne: "From this point onwards, we knew there was something very important to find about what was so special about this thigh."
Wayne went to Egypt to see if he could find out more information about why these stars were so important to the ancient cultures. In Luxor he found a stone engraving that seemed to unlock more of this mystery.
Wayne: "It was in the Senmut tomb of Luxor where a star map of a very different kind was in play. There were two versions of it, one using mythology and the other one using astronomy. Particularly the mythology part of it - it has the leg constellation, and it also had a star just offset from it, and from this star the gods came from. All the gods are shown in the picture as well, on terra firma, on Earth. I think it is very likely that this is pertaining to an arrival - an arrival of these gods from this star."
To see if there were any other references, Wayne retraced his steps back to the Abusir pyramids that represented the Pleiades along the Nile. In the same place as the mystery star in the Senmut tomb, they too point to an old temple called the Abusir Sun Temple.
Wayne: "Which was a vertically sided pyramid. Obviously it couldn't stand up to the last few earthquakes we've had - it's a pile of rubble now."
Wayne thinks the temple was built to pay homage to a star or another solar system near Earth. Why would it have a platform for a celestial boat (as a recreation of the temple shows)? And the same theme is repeated again in a Sumerian clay tablet.
Wayne: "On that star depiction, there's a man inside a disc. He's probably some kind of leader, and he's actually in the place of a star. There's a little star depicted right next to the disc, at the exact same place. And it is the Pleiades - you'll see by the depiction, it has the right amount of stars, the right sizes, and it kind of points again to this star."
After Egypt, Wayne went to England to look at another site he felt may reinforce his theory - Stonehenge. Mounds, also called barrows, are situated a little way from the stone circle. According to Wayne, they were built to replicate the shape of the Pleiades and the Stonehenge circle fits in exactly the same place as his mystery star.
Four completely different sources - two in Egypt, one in Sumeria and another in England. What are they trying to show us?
End of Part 1
Check out this link if you like: www.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/
BTW, this is one looooong C&P so I'll have to split it.
Pyramid Star Maps
Date : 18 May 2003
Producer : Carol Albertyn
Presenter : Derek Watts, Ruda Landman
Genre : Weird and Wonderful
There are places on our Earth that are shrouded in secrets, mysterious monuments of ancient civilisations. Theories of why, how, when and by whom they were built abound. What message of our past is encoded in these structures?
Wayne Herschel: "I think the big thing in this message is an obsession to portray the origins of humankind."
Wayne Herschel makes concrete rock structures in Durban, a job that allows him enough free time to study the origins of humankind. He has no academic training, but has spent over 15 years researching ancient civilisations and has developed a very controversial theory of our beginnings.
Wayne: "Well, the people who built these great pyramids, the people that make up the bulk of religious texts, people that came from the sky, the celestial boats of Egypt, Ra, they would have had obviously the technology for space travel, to build this equipment, and yes, we are the descendants of those people."
Carte Blanche broadcast a remarkable story on the pyramids six years ago, which sparked Wayne's interest. The programme was based on Robert Bauval's book Keeper of Genesis, in which he alleged that the three pyramids of Giza were linked to the three stars in the Orion Belt.
Robert Bauval [from Carte Blanche 29 September 1996]: "And I was one evening with a few friends sitting on a dune in the desert, and one of my friends was a navigator. And we were talking about sea sailing, and he said, 'Let me show you how I use the stars. So one of the most important stars to look at in the sky is the bright star Sirius, and let me show you how you can find it'. And he said, 'If you look here, here is the constellation of Orion, here are the three best stars ... and if you follow them, if you follow a line downwards to the horizon you will see the star Sirius'. And suddenly I look at these three stars, and I was looking at them, and he said, 'Well, actually I told you they were in a row, but you probably notice that the smaller one is offset'. The word offset did it. The minute I heard 'offset' I began thinking, 'What is the offset of the three pyramids, why is the third pyramid offset of the other two?' and the two images merged in my mind."
Looking further, he discovered that the ancient Egyptians had given two other pyramid sites star names, and that there appeared to be a correlation between their sacred River Nile and the Milky Way.
Were they symbolically trying to replicate regions of the sky here on Earth?
Wayne had a feeling that that was precisely what they were trying to do. He knew that there were many more pyramids along the Nile and wondered whether they too formed some kind of a correlation with the stars.
Wayne "And I decided to get out an atlas - I was lucky to have reference books close by, and no computers at that time - but I ended up reproducing the maps on a grand scale, taking all the pyramids of lower Egypt, and taking the entire Milky Way as a whole, and put them next to each other and compare. That's as simple as it was."
Wayne was astonished when he saw at a glance that his layout of 63 pyramids along the Nile could be superimposed exactly on prominent star positions in the sky, along the Milky Way.
The top pyramid at Abu Roash represents Sirius and the pyramids are laid out with incredibly accurate geometry. The Southern Hemisphere stars are also included, so in effect the pyramids represent a complete circuit of the night sky around the Earth. The detail is remarkable. Even the size of the stars is reflected in the size of the pyramids.
Wayne: "Some are so small that you need advanced equipment to see, for example, take the Andromeda - you see the zoom-in of Andromeda, there are little group stars around the main sequence stars. Those group stars are even in the same position as the smaller pyramid ruins at Sikara."
These small stars are not visible to the naked eye. The ancients who built these pyramids must have had advanced technology to see into space.
One could argue, though, that given the billions of stars in the sky there would be endless permutations of points of lights that could link to the layout of the pyramids.
Wayne: "As somebody seeing this for the first time, I challenge them to look at the distances, the angles and the sizes - not just all 63 being perfectly in position. It's the whole clear picture. It's probably a billion-to-one chance."
If the pyramids were built in a specific layout, the obvious question to ask is, 'Why?' Wayne was determined to find the answer.
Wayne: "The journey then would take me to other pyramid cultures."
His first stop was Angkor Watt in Cambodia, where he found that the pyramid-like temples were also built to represent a star map.
Few know that Japan also has its own pyramids. One is the Kitora Kofun pyramid. Although Wayne did not find a layout of pyramids here, he did find an interesting drawing on the ceiling of the tomb.
Wayne: "They found a star map. It's not really known to the world, but what really excited me about the star map was the depiction of a cluster of stars in the shape of a thigh - the thigh of a bull - and this rang some bells in the back of my head."
In the research that Wayne has done through books and via the Internet, he noticed that there were many unusual references to the Pleiades. They are a group of stars that form the shape that many refer to as the leg of the bull, and curiously, they are found behind the head of the bull in the Taurus constellation.
Homer mentions this cluster of stars in the Odyssey, and the Bible has three references to the Pleiades. But it seems that there may even be much earlier records of its mention.
When scientists saw the 17 000-year-old cave painting of the bulls in Lascaux, France, some thought that the black dots could represent stars. In that interpretation, the three stars of Orion are just underneath the chin of the bull and the Pleiades is the cluster above the head.
Wayne also found many Sumerian scroll seals well over 5 000 years old with the same cluster of stars in the sky. Egyptology, it seems, is also obsessed with the Pleiades.
Wayne: "From this point onwards, we knew there was something very important to find about what was so special about this thigh."
Wayne went to Egypt to see if he could find out more information about why these stars were so important to the ancient cultures. In Luxor he found a stone engraving that seemed to unlock more of this mystery.
Wayne: "It was in the Senmut tomb of Luxor where a star map of a very different kind was in play. There were two versions of it, one using mythology and the other one using astronomy. Particularly the mythology part of it - it has the leg constellation, and it also had a star just offset from it, and from this star the gods came from. All the gods are shown in the picture as well, on terra firma, on Earth. I think it is very likely that this is pertaining to an arrival - an arrival of these gods from this star."
To see if there were any other references, Wayne retraced his steps back to the Abusir pyramids that represented the Pleiades along the Nile. In the same place as the mystery star in the Senmut tomb, they too point to an old temple called the Abusir Sun Temple.
Wayne: "Which was a vertically sided pyramid. Obviously it couldn't stand up to the last few earthquakes we've had - it's a pile of rubble now."
Wayne thinks the temple was built to pay homage to a star or another solar system near Earth. Why would it have a platform for a celestial boat (as a recreation of the temple shows)? And the same theme is repeated again in a Sumerian clay tablet.
Wayne: "On that star depiction, there's a man inside a disc. He's probably some kind of leader, and he's actually in the place of a star. There's a little star depicted right next to the disc, at the exact same place. And it is the Pleiades - you'll see by the depiction, it has the right amount of stars, the right sizes, and it kind of points again to this star."
After Egypt, Wayne went to England to look at another site he felt may reinforce his theory - Stonehenge. Mounds, also called barrows, are situated a little way from the stone circle. According to Wayne, they were built to replicate the shape of the Pleiades and the Stonehenge circle fits in exactly the same place as his mystery star.
Four completely different sources - two in Egypt, one in Sumeria and another in England. What are they trying to show us?
End of Part 1
as I was of tender age then) 
). Do you know if the program is shown again, maybe on Africa 2 Africa or SABAC?
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