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Post by Topcontender on Aug 5, 2003 10:06:39 GMT -5
we had over 300,000+ sunday, and we have had 450,000+ for the indy 500 in the glory days. NOw that is a lot of F-ing people  I never saw it with that many people, but i have seen a milder version and man talk about mayhem. the "snake pit" (this open feild where the rednecks use to hang out) had cars set on fire, Girls walk around naked, People having sex, Mud football (my fav), People doing what ever drugs they wanted, and much more. It was CRAZY, and when the race was over you can imagine what 100,000 drunk bikers can think up. |
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Post by Senninha on Aug 5, 2003 10:07:35 GMT -5
Senninha, I would think that ASCAR race at Rockingham was not the ideal example of what such racing can be. I remember the day very well, with all the delays the CART race had, they had to end it early because the sun was setting. Then they held the ASCAR race, in freezing cold weather and the crowd leaving. On top of that there were hardly any cars in the race. I can imagine that a NASCAR race with some 40 odd cars and a crowd of 250'000 people would be very different, and an experience I would love to try. Fair point, Henrik. I agree really. The whole 'Rockingham experience' was a bit of a disappointment - but in general I would think my heart lies elsewhere than NASCAR anyway. Like I said though, I would go for the experience - though there are many more motor races I would visit before I made a serious effort to go to NASCAR (Le Mans 24 Hours, Macau Grand Prix, Formula Ford Festival for example  ), but yeah, I'd go. Mind, I beg to differ with this comment: in freezing cold weather and the crowd leavingI'm a) used to that - this usually happens when they put FFord races on at 5:30 as the last race at a meeting. And I LOVE it!! It's great to see the non-die-hards (and they must be, as they don't stop) leave. They stop bugging me with stupid questions - "Who's David Saelens?" and the latest one "Do they have any other races?" (that was after the DTM race at Donington :  - but yeah, I like that. and b) I didn't think Rockingham was that cold - try standing on the banking opposite the craner curves at Donington in March/April/October/November and any other time there's a bit of wind and/or rain. It was cold enough to wear a coat, but nothing more remember. I went back to Rockingham that November for the Winter Series - and THAT was cold. 3 layers and a big Subaru rally jacket - and still freezing!! And that was a great meeting But yeah, it was nice, but I thought it went on too long. I would agree the grid was too sparse though. I've seen smaller, but usually only happens with historics and Group C sports cars etc. And I have watched better ASCAR races on TV |
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Post by Henrik on Aug 5, 2003 10:18:03 GMT -5
Senninha,
Okay, I hate cold weather! Actually, the problem I found that year at Rockingham was the stark difference in temperature between the day and the evening. Because of that I was not properly dressed for the cold, and I remember very well shaking like a leaf, trying to find a vendor with hot coffee!! LOL!!
If you know it will be cold, sure it is okay as you dress for it. I have done some kart races myself in freezing (or just about!) weather. It's fine once you are in the action, but while in the paddock trying to work on the kart.....brrrrrrr!!!
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Post by pabs on Aug 5, 2003 15:51:33 GMT -5
Senn,
Lince did indeed race F-Vaxhaull in 98 I think. I take it he didn't do so well then?
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Post by Senninha on Aug 6, 2003 3:00:30 GMT -5
Senn, Lince did indeed race F-Vaxhaull in 98 I think. I take it he didn't do so well then? Well, that depends. I can't remember much about him, which is a sign he didn't do much. One thing you find in Vauxhall/Renault/Ford etc is that the non-Brits stand out, because there's less of them, and I would hazard a guess that I only remember him for his nationality. I will consult some results later in the week and get back to you, and also find out the team, but I was a bit lost in pre-F3 single seaters in 1998 (it was the first season I really got into them - and in Vauxhall that year I concentrated on the top 2 guys in the championship, paying little attention to most of the others.) I'll have a look, but I doubt there's much info on the web, and probably less than I can remember. However, his ASCAR results haven't been overwhelming this season, and the grid is formed from more clubbie racers, so I guess you would expect him to be poor in UK FVauxhall. |
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Post by Senninha on Aug 6, 2003 3:11:49 GMT -5
I found the championship standings for FVJ 1998. I'm pretty sure this was what he raced. I know he didn't race in class B (there were only the two drivers below), but he doesn't make an appearance in the top 10. I thought Tomas Scheckter was second mind, but that's probably accurate, and my memory only extends to odd races, rather than the championship as a whole. Btw, that's a pretty strong, IMO, grid. In fact very strong by the fact that 7 of the top 10 I can 'locate' for this season (that includes Antonio mind - who is technically unlocateable at the moment). Yuya Sakamoto is also still racing.
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Post by Senninha on Aug 6, 2003 3:25:50 GMT -5
Sorry, I did the guy an injustice - I just read somewhere he only did 6 races, but aren't having any luck finding any more info.  |
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Post by Senninha on Aug 8, 2003 16:12:17 GMT -5
OK, Pabs, I've had a look through my programs from FVJ 1998, as well as the results sheets I have from it. The round at Donington In May (rounds 3 &4) I attended I have a qualifying results for Round 4. Of 15 cars he qualified 11th, in front of the two class B cars, and two other class A runners. Grid: Pizzonia; Lyons; Scheckter; Kevin Hall (  ); Pavlovic; Fourie; James Welsman; Bell; Pyper; Taylor; Lince; Gavin Hardy; Paffett; Peter Gray; Sakamoto; A later results sheet puts James Hanson, Adam Derbyshire and John Dalziel at the back of the grid with a 10 second penalty - I can only assume this had something to do with them perhaps not taking part in qualifying, so an 18 car race. Lince was driving for John Village AUtomotive that season (JVA) as teammate to Johan Fourie. The previous season they had run Pizzonia to second in the championship in his first sesaon in the UK. Lince completed 11 laps in qualifying (more than everyone except Fourie) and finished 1.547s off pole, and 0.656 off his teammate. Unfortunately I have no record of what he did in the races, as there in only space in the program to complete the top 10 runners, which I did, and he;s not there. Suffice to say he was not in the top 10 either race. Any more will involve me looking though the old Autosports at the bottom of the pile - some day maybe... not today |
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Post by Topcontender on Aug 19, 2003 8:08:23 GMT -5
have you guysseen this weeks debacle in NECKCAR? It seems ol Kurt Busch pissed off Spencer again but this time it was bad. Spencer rammed Busch after the race, got out of his car, and kicked Busch's ass chipping his tooth, and busting his nose. Spencer was suspended for the weekend, and fined $25,000. Funny part is Robby Gordon offered to pay the fine! God these red necks are just funny to watch! It is basically the "hey yall watch this" syndrome live on TV. |
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Post by nascar on Aug 19, 2003 17:53:35 GMT -5
Yeah, i saw on the highlights. 10 punches to his face. Nascar is getting crazy like IRL.
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Post by worthless on Aug 19, 2003 17:53:44 GMT -5
It was amusing. And it couldn't have happened to two finer drivers.  Too bad there isn't any video of it (or is there?). There seem to be so many different accounts of what happened it's become somewhat comical. Spencer broke Busch's nose. Oh wait, no he didn't. Busch slammed on his brakes blocking Spencer's trailer. Oh but did he ran out of gas(?). Etc. You know fighting is nothing new to motorsport. It happens somewhat frequently (whether we see it televised or not). But what is so ridiculous about this particular event was that it seems it was over nothing. They weren't racing for the lead with one lap to go. They bumped going down the front stretch with 100 laps to go running 8th and 9th. That's it. Sure, the two of them have a 'history', but I don't think that is a viable excuse for the level of confrontation that both of them exhibited. I can understand getting into a physical altercation in the heat of the moment (I know that it's not 'PC', but it happens - drivers are only human). But this was over the line. There are some reports that the police might press charges. As much as some of the fans want Nascar to be the WWF - it's not - and I'm glad Nascar suspended Spencer.  Alright I'm done ranting.... |
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Post by worthless on Aug 19, 2003 21:50:49 GMT -5
Just to follow up... I heard on SpeedTV and they had audio from Busch's radio where he was bragging to his crew about that little "bump" that mentioned in my previous post. Apparently he was intentionally trying to cut down Spencer's tire (no "y" in nascar ). He and his crew were joking about trying to take Spencer out of the race. Well, Nascar officials were listening in, and were not amused. Such idiots. |
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Post by pabs on Aug 20, 2003 2:50:25 GMT -5
Senn, Thanks for th einfo. Sorry I hadn't checked this thread in a while. I guess Lince is not that good after all  Oh well...I guess we always have JPM's brother to look forward to...even if he is a little shit. |
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Post by Senninha on Aug 20, 2003 3:29:44 GMT -5
Senn, Thanks for th einfo. Sorry I hadn't checked this thread in a while. I guess Lince is not that good after all Oh well...I guess we always have JPM's brother to look forward to...even if he is a little shit. There are other Colombians around, I know I'm sure. Anyway, Lince's doing alright, he's in a championship where he can prove strong, and he's not a bad driver for that level. Anyway, it all doesn't matter if you support him for the right reasons - be glad he has a drive, that he can race at least for now. In some ways ASCAR's a nice place to be! I still say though, that was a good grid (even if a little small), saying, Mark Taylor, who was just in front of him, is doing pretty well in the US at the moment, and was an F3 race winner (I'm SURE he won a race, I am!). What's the lowdown on JPM's 'lil Bro then?? Hehe! You obviously have a major opinion on him - actually, he was in this months Racer magazine briefly (I'll read that when I get home!). Still wondering where Johan Fourie went... |
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Post by pabs on Aug 20, 2003 15:39:40 GMT -5
Ohhh Fede-prick-o Montoya will be racing BMWs in Germany next year I think...I read that about a month ago in pitpass. Maybe Mo still has the link.
The kid is just a pain in the ass...I used to chat with him in JPM's website and that kid is unbearable. I'm almost afraid he will turn into a Half Schumacher, not because he's not a racer (he really is) but because he thinks he's his brother (which he really isn't).
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- but yeah, I like that.
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