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Post by pabs on Jan 28, 2003 23:05:20 GMT -5
Ok, this is not necessarily about motorsports, but I had to post this somewhere...talk about american muscle cars 1000 HP and it still gives you 20 mpg. Overview Body/chassis structure: spaceframe Body Material: aluminum Chassis Material: aluminum / steel Suspension: Front: Sigma-based high arm SLA Rear: semi-trailing arm, 4-wheel steer Wheels: 24" x 9" aluminum Tires Size: Front: P265/40R24 Rear: P265/40R24 Tires: Michelin custom tread Brakes: Baer 6-piston, 16" rotors   Powertrain Engine: GM 16-cylinder, 90-degree Engine displacement (cu. in / cc): 830 / 13600 Horsepower maximum (hp / kw): 1000 / 745 Torque maximum (lbs-ft / Nm): 1000 / 1355 Transmission: modified Hydra-Matic 4L85-E Back to top Dimensions Height: 54.8 / 1392 Length: 223.3 / 5673 Width: 79.9 / 2029 Wheelbase: 140 / 3556 Track: Front/rear (in / mm): 69.5 / 1766 Weight: 5000 / 2270 (estimated)  |
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Post by Topcontender on Jan 29, 2003 0:53:02 GMT -5
I saw this car on TV for the Autoshow, it is not a bad looking ride.
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Post by daSilva on Jan 29, 2003 9:20:29 GMT -5
Yeah I like it.
And it will put Merc and BMW back in their place and restore Cadillac back at the top of the food chain. Caddies have been too soft for about 60 years. ;D
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Post by Wycco on Jan 29, 2003 14:59:15 GMT -5
It won't get built...
I know the guy that designed this somehow got Chrysler to build the PT Cruiser and the Prowler... but this one will never get sold...
I was reading an article on it- all the top brass at GM are against it except this one guy...
Nonetheless- wouldn't mind parking that beast in my driveway... Although I'd probably need to extend my driveway for it to fit! LOL...
I doubt they could pull it off anyway- GM is ranked 3rd for reliability out of the 3 major US auto manufacturers (which in turn are behind the big names in Europe and Japan)... even Caddies suffer their fair share of troubles...
Why do you think only old people buy Caddies? Because they are the only people that remember when Caddies were any good!
I don't have the faith that GM has the ability to make a reliable luxury car anymore.
And if you're paying $400,000 (estimated cost) for a car you want a modicum of reliability!
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Post by Henrik on Jan 29, 2003 15:08:46 GMT -5
Too big, too heavy and too expensive.
As far as I'm concerned, a sports car needs to be small, light and nimble. A Lotus Elise, Caterham Super 7, or why not that Rocket by Gordon Murray I posted a pic of in the F1 thread.
I suppose a 911 would too, but that's as big as I'll go.
On a second thought, I'll stick to a bike.....
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Post by daSilva on Jan 29, 2003 16:02:27 GMT -5
LMAO, that's not a sports car Henrik nor is it supposed to be. You can't possibly compare the Cadillac Sixteen to a Lotus Seven.
That Cadillac would compete with the likes of Bentley or the new Maybach. At least let us compare apples to apples.
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Post by daSilva on Jan 29, 2003 16:05:30 GMT -5
Furthermore,
Wick I would dare to say that Cadillac's relibility is much higher than that of the other GM brands. Cadillac's may be stodgy but they are still up there on the food chain, plus have you ever heard of a Catera?
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Post by RacerX on Jan 29, 2003 17:18:10 GMT -5
In defense of the GM nameplate...(I can't believe I'm about to type this)...it seems GM has scored well this year...in the JD Powers "initial owner's satisfaction" rating. It's a first time in many, many years, but they scored better than the other domestic brands.
I know it's simply "initial quality" and it has nothing to do with long term ownership, but hey...they have to start somewhere.
I give GM credit, of the three domestic brands, they seem to be doing more for reliability, than producing great commercials that claim they're reliable.
A complete 180 degree turn around from two years ago. Maybe they FINALLY figured it out: the public wants reliable vehicles!
Granted, alot of disposable domestics still sell, but over time that'll decrease too, and hopefully the others will catch on.
Who knows. I think GM did a fantastic job manufacturing, and building the C-5 Corvette! Only one early (rear axel) recall, and no problems to speak of since! The rear axel prob was caught right after they sold their first batch of C-5s, and caught very, very early i the manufacturing process, so not too many were effected.
I think Cadillac could build this rather nicely, but personally....I have very little, if any, faith left in the domestic lines. They abused their confidence with me after owning a New Camaro ('79), an New Corvette ('81), and seeing what's happened with my parents & brother's vehicles: Multiple new Cadillacs ('80-'87), and a Ford Mustang ('83).
Since then, it's been imports for me. My parents are successfully converted Toyota drivers, but my brother just won't give up his P.O.S. GM Truck...a Z-71 4x4.
Freaking seat is falling out of it, the leather's all split, and he's replaced two alternators, one compressor, multiple Master Cylinders, etc, etc, etc.
I figure he'll eventually get tired of spending money on the bucket of bolts, and get a Tundra, or the new full size Nissan.
Wuff, man did I take off on a tangent...LOL, what's new? LOL!
OK, back to the Caddy...I think it sits with the TVRs and such. Good call da silva, however like Wyc pointed out...it'll probably never see the light of day.
Shame, it'd be fun seeing one cruise down the highway. Quite a looker, in a sort of "ritzy, how rich is too rich" sort of way...LOL!
Later,
RacerX
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Post by Henrik on Jan 30, 2003 4:31:33 GMT -5
LMAO, that's not a sports car Henrik nor is it supposed to be. You can't possibly compare the Cadillac Sixteen to a Lotus Seven. That Cadillac would compete with the likes of Bentley or the new Maybach. At least let us compare apples to apples. Good point da Silva, only it's a coupé. Likely to really only be a proper 2 seater (or maybe a 2+2). I suppose I can't see the point of such cars. Furthermore, what the hell is the point of having 1'000hp in a car like that?! I can see some people buying big-ass limousines like the Maybach (although for me those people have more money than sense!), but these sort of vehicles have always struck me as utterly useless. |
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Post by Wycco on Jan 30, 2003 8:51:54 GMT -5
Henrik- from what I recall (its been several weeks since I read about this)- its more than a 2 seater- Its perhaps bigger than in looks on the picture... it has TV's, a champagne fridge, and lots more- all inside the car...
I think a Maybach with a really big powerfull engine is what this car is intended to be...
However, I could be wrong- as noted- it only has the two doors!
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Post by daSilva on Jan 30, 2003 9:20:50 GMT -5
Actually if you look carefully there is a seam running towards the rear wheel from the C pillar. This is a Sedan.  |
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Post by daSilva on Jan 30, 2003 9:28:57 GMT -5
Here is a full write up on the car. It's definately a four door.
Cadillac Sixteen: A New World Standard
The Cadillac Sixteen is classic automotive seduction with the panache of Cadillac's ultramodern design.
In form, power and opulence, the 2003 Cadillac Sixteen embodies the timeless qualities of an exceptionally luxurious super-sedan with its sleek, gemstone appearance. The rear-wheel-drive Cadillac Sixteen brings forth the exclusivity and grandeur of the custom-built Fleetwood coach cars of the 1930s for today's generation of exceedingly well-heeled customers of discerning taste.
"The Sixteen is a modern interpretation of everything that made Cadillac the standard of the world and can again," said Robert A. Lutz, GM vice chairman for product development and chairman of GM North America. "It's a reminder of a glorious past as well as a progressive statement.
"Cadillac's tradition is rich, but in the next several years it will be introducing vehicles as solid, dynamic and beautifully designed as anything it's ever done. And Sixteen is a harbinger of this new era."
Sweet V-16
The name speaks to the car's powerful 16-cylinder, 1000-horsepower engine and Cadillac's heritage as a maker of fine luxury automobiles. Cadillac's reputation grew exponentially during the '30s in no small part because of the development of the automotive industry's first V-16. The Cadillac Sixteen's grand exterior proportions create an unparalleled presence; its splendid interior is meticulously handcrafted and urbane.
As an exterior statement, the Cadillac Sixteen's proportional composition is bold. The aluminum hood is long, giving the Cadillac Sixteen tremendous dash-to-axle dimension; the wheel arches were designed to accommodate the beautiful 24-inch polished aluminum wheels. The four-door hardtop incorporates an all-glass roof and is without B-pillars. Crisp-edged lines of the midnight silver aluminum body panels accentuate the Cadillac Sixteen's striking appearance.
Even the engine compartment, with its sculpted design, has drama. With dual panels hinged about a center spine that runs the length of the expansive hood, it makes an event out of opening the engine bay. The hood panels are power-operated.
"The engine bay really pays tribute to the V-16," said Wayne Cherry, GM's vice president of design. "It's like a setting for a diamond, clean and simple. The under-hood was designed with the same care and attention as the interior.
Warm luxury, contemporary style
The interior theme is evocative of the posh accommodations of 1930s-era Cadillacs, but with contemporary style. For instance, the dashboard features a center-mounted Bvlgari clock.
The hand-stitched, Tuscany leather upholstered seats nestle the occupants. The right rear seat features power adjustable slope to recline like a chaise lounge. Warm, hand-woven silk carpets the floor in a light cream color that matches the leather upholstery. The dash, door panels, and front and rear consoles are trimmed with walnut burl veneer inlays.
"The lighting is architectural, enhancing the mood and desirability of the Cadillac Sixteen's interior space, complementing its shapes and colors," said Eric Clough, interior designer. "Technique combines with technology for a sophisticated, pampered ambience."
One thousand horses
While GM designers drew inspiration from the ultra-luxury sedan's ancestry, the Cadillac Sixteen is thoroughly modern in its powerplant and technological content.
The Cadillac Sixteen's 32-valve V-16 concept engine displaces 13.6 liters and is mated to a four-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission. The engine features fuel-saving Displacement on Demand technology, debuting in 2004 on some 2005 GM models, which shuts down half of the cylinders during most driving conditions and automatically and seamlessly reactivates them for more demanding conditions, such as brisk acceleration or load hauling cylinders when the driver needs the engine's full power. The engine produces 1000 horsepower and 1000 lbs.-ft. of torque.
Electronic amenities include a rear-seat DVD information system, Bose sound system, and the fifth-generation OnStar in-vehicle safety and security communication system. The head and tail lamps feature LED technology.
All told, the Cadillac Sixteen is an ultra-luxury automobile of the first order.
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Post by Topcontender on Jan 30, 2003 9:29:09 GMT -5
I don't see 400k worth of car. I have driven caddies for a long time and i love them, but that is a big tag on that car. However, i have driven RR and my dad blew up a Bentley  and i must say those cars are not worth a shit. I honestly could never justify spending that on a car unless it was something amazing and came with truly unique options. Hell the fridge has been around for years Caddy needs to equip the car with submarine abilities to get my seal of approval to spend 400k on it. |
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Post by Henrik on Jan 30, 2003 11:19:04 GMT -5
Okay, so big luxury 4 door car. Yawn....
I suppose I was mislead by the fact the thread was under karting / MotorRacing.
Now, no offense to anybody, but I always found such "dream" cars to be such a waste, and they just serve no purpose. $400k for a car? I don't think so...
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Post by Srrh on Jan 30, 2003 11:19:52 GMT -5
Agreed.
For 400k, this thing needs to either fly or sail....
For this price tag you get a 911 carrera 4, an Elise, a turbo charged mini and a hummer....You are then equiped for cities, woods, deserts, tracks, etc...
I'll take those four over this 1000hp bath tub anyday...
S...h
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