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Post by Danny Boy on Jul 23, 2003 15:29:04 GMT -5
What happened to the men who shot Jessie James, Wyatt Earp. You can't spend money from the grave. Witness protection is no good, I know a guy who took that in the UK, so far 6 of his family have been killed (one every 3 months) and they have threatened to start killing his friends if they run out of family members. Taking the money is the easy thing, living with the consequences are the problem. For Wyatt Earp read Buffalo Bill who was killed whilst playing poker. As for songs about Jessie James, anyone remember hearing Leadbelly and "When I was a cowboy out on the western plains, ran into Jessie James" |
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Post by Topcontender on Jul 23, 2003 17:02:48 GMT -5
as for ol Jesse James he is not dead, I see him on TV at least once a week. Hell he even drove in the Ferrari Challenge in Montreal.
See "West Coast Choppers" to see ol Jesse
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Post by Mo on Jul 23, 2003 17:34:47 GMT -5
According to the news the dental records showed they were Saddam sons...
I would dread being a dentist in Iraq right now...
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Post by Topcontender on Jul 24, 2003 11:05:18 GMT -5
 well that looks like them, but they got to shave for me to be 100% certain. |
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Post by Srrh on Jul 24, 2003 12:33:47 GMT -5
Remember the US outrage when Al Jazeera showed corpses of dead GIs ? Of course it doesn't apply in this case. The situation is different. It is like comapring apples and oranges.Blablabla...Wolfowitz, Perle & Co. are a bunch of dumb fucks!!! They just made two martyrs...assholes. 3 dead GIs today...that's 5 since Saddam's son were murdered...  Srrh |
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Post by DeadCat on Jul 24, 2003 12:58:24 GMT -5
Srrh,
To make matters worse they are saying it took 200 US troops, gunship helicopters and TOW missiles to kill 4 people in a house (one was a teenager)….
They even still managed to shoot an old man and a little girl not even related to house…
(DeadCat)
"This is terrorism! They are killers!" screamed Saad Badr, a 50-year-old taxi driver who was pressed so close to the razor wire that his left toe was bleeding.
"Americans are unbelievers, and Saddam Hussein is a Muslim. This makes me even more angry at the Americans," said 14-year-old Mohammed Qassem, to a chorus of agreement from the crowd.
"This makes me feel great," Granter (US Military) said as he gazed at the destruction.
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Post by daSilva on Jul 24, 2003 13:01:07 GMT -5
S. To quote Chretien "The proof is the proof of the proof, that is the proof". I don't think they had a choice but to proove to the world, and the Arab nations in particular, that these guys are dead. Furthermore, the US has not contravened the Geneva convention in this case whereas Al Jazeera did contravene the Geneva convention when they displayed POW's and dead American soldiers.  |
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Post by DeadCat on Jul 24, 2003 13:12:55 GMT -5
I believe the Geneva Convention only talks about the display of POW’s in a humiliating situation. Al Jazeera only displayed the POW US troops getting interviewed, sure they looked scared shitless, but it’s not like they displayed pictures of them kneeling helplessly on the road with their hands on their heads and a rifle pointed directly at them.
(DeadCat)
Even then it is a pretty grey area, what some consider humiliating others don't.....
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Post by justin on Jul 24, 2003 13:23:34 GMT -5
Remember the US outrage when Al Jazeera showed corpses of dead GIs ? Of course it doesn't apply in this case. The situation is different. It is like comapring apples and oranges.Blablabla...Wolfowitz, Perle & Co. are a bunch of dumb fucks!!! They just made two martyrs...assholes. 3 dead GIs today...that's 5 since Saddam's son were murdered... Srrh Actually they checked with Amnesty Int. before the display of the photo's. As for some Arabs reaction, what has changed. Don't these same Arabs end each phrase with "Death to America" Makes for good press. Now the butcher of Baghdad's mutant spawns are some sort of hero's and the mass graves etc mean nothing. I think that more Iraqi people than not are happy and have some sort of closure. |
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Post by Srrh on Jul 24, 2003 13:43:33 GMT -5
To be honnest, I find these photos brutal !! Couldn't they have wash them a bit or something ? Either way, from now on, whatever is said about Saddam's spawn, will be doubted to no end. I think they should have been PUBLICLY tried for crimes against humanity in Iraq...let everyone hear what those criminals were guilty of...and jailed forever...somewhere... I, for one, think there would not be so many neo-nazi, worshiping Adolf, 50 years after the fact, if he had been tried in Nuremberg with the rest of the butchers. Now, Udai and Cusai will be eternal combatants fighting US imperialism...Bad move in the battle for hearts and mind...Terrible communication... That being said...how do I feel about a world without the 2 Bastards ? Well, like  . Justin: The Arab world is full of paradoxes and fucked-up notions. They've replaced realpolitiks with wisheful thinking for the last 50 years. I gave up on them...Politics in Africa and S.America are cristal clear compared to the arab mud field...No wonder Isael is so screwed up...They're nuts by osmosis... Srrh |
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Post by justin on Jul 24, 2003 13:58:47 GMT -5
srrh
Of course you are right about the benefit of these two captured alive, but what would the odds be of that happening? I think suicide would be their second option.
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Post by Srrh on Jul 24, 2003 14:08:08 GMT -5
Justin.
Agreed.
S.
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Post by Topcontender on Jul 24, 2003 20:23:10 GMT -5
ahh the reports we were getting was that they didn't use the Apaches becuase that would have caused way too much damage.
As for the photos, they had to be released or nobody would belive that we got them. I know it is brutal, but that is the only way to proove it.
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Post by CFF on Jul 24, 2003 20:36:28 GMT -5
Srrh (& Justin): There were rumours about the cause of death of Udai floating around yesterday, which have now been confirmed: self-inflicted gunshot wound to head (no I don't have the particulars, but I have no reason to doubt it).
These two (and whomever was in their company at the time the coalition provisional authority came knocking on the door at the house they occupied in Mosul) were given every opportunity to give themselves up and surrender. Instead they chose a fight to the death, which not surprisingly the coalition forces (Americans) were obliged to give them.
As far as the releasing of the photos of the remains of the two, I think the Americans had little choice, and after thinking long and hard about it, chose to break their long history of not making public photos of those killed in military action. I don't question whether or not you agree with their decision to air the photos. I'm sure that even if you don't, you'd have to admit that these two brothers were an exception to the rule, and that the reluctance of much of the world to believe they had been killed made the publicising of their photos an option that the Americans were forced to deal with.
Of course if you're against showing their photos, what CNN paraphrases nicely won't make a hoot of difference to you:
"Laws of war established in the Geneva Conventions prohibit showing the bodies of dead or living prisoners of war. The Hussein brothers were not in that category, and human rights group Amnesty International says disseminating the pictures was not a Geneva violation. "
"From a value standpoint, image standpoint as a country, this is not something we do," said CNN military analyst retired Air Force Maj. Don Shepperd. "The fact they [the U.S.-led administration] decided to do this is a significant decision. Of course, there is an overriding reason to do it now. There has to be an overriding reason to do something of this sort and depart from things we've done for decades."
Shepperd said the U.S. government stressed that the U.S. military was not releasing the photos -- the coalition provisional authority was making them public. "What we don't want to do is... set up a situation where every time we have a military operation, we end up with pictures of dead Americans, or us releasing photos of people from a military standpoint," he said.
Paul Bremer, civilian administrator in Iraq, said: "I think it will help convince people that these two people are dead (and) we're making the point that the Baathists are finished.
"Saddam and his henchmen are finished. They're not coming back and the strategic importance of the killings... is to help persuade the Iraqi people that, having liberated the country, we're there and we're going to be sure that these Baathists have no future."
I think the Americans/coalition made the right call on this one - at the same time, don't expect any of this to have any immediate effect on the continued killing of American forces still in Iraq. That is going to be a long and slow effort. Hopefully the two brothers deaths will take a little air out of the sails of those who continue support their ousted regime.
CFF
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Post by ozcar on Jul 24, 2003 23:24:24 GMT -5
its amazing...we can be reviled and abhorred by the twisted evil purported by these monsters yet those pictures are strangly unsatisfying (from a vengence perspective, not sadism)even disgusting...
plus I cant tell them apart...who is the fat one? looks like the victim of domestic abuse....
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