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Post by Srrh on Apr 23, 2003 10:00:00 GMT -5
He reminded people of Jane Fonda. People don't know their history. JF is a photo whore. She was snaped-shot enouraging the viet-kongs and sitting at one of their anti-plane guns. She took sides. MM did nothing of the sort. He is opposed to the was, but certainly not a pro-saddam. S...
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Post by justan on Apr 23, 2003 18:53:54 GMT -5
Hmmmm, That was a bit tough for first thing in the morning Justan. Nice reading though. Two very short points I wish to make as a response though..... 1. A person such as Einstein who looks down on a capitalist society in favour of a socialist society will tend to see a negative trend in the way that increased unemployment will produce less consumers and thus a downfall of the economy (okay, I'm simplifying to the extreme here) whereas a convinced capitalist will see that increased consumption will see better wages for the employed leading to a further increase in consumption. Is it a case of the the glass being half empty or half full? 2. Socialism as it is idealized by many is impossible in a human society as no two humans are ever alike. Some will be more competitive than others, striving to obtain additional personal gain, whereas others are profoudly lazy, chosing to survive more or less on what is given to them. Then there are all those in the middle...... Now can I get back to work? I need to make more money!! Thanks for reading and commenting about it. Now back to work. I just put that there to show that not every left winger is a nut as someone posted. Personally I think I am more of an Anarchist. Socialism is equality without freedom and Capitalism is liberty without equality. Somewhere there must be a system that balances everything while putting power into the individual and not the State, a group of People or Organized Religion. Unfortunately this will not happen in our live time. My opinion only Now I have to go party regards
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Post by justan on Apr 24, 2003 7:48:13 GMT -5
Jane Fonda, what the hell was that all about? She actually went to N. Vietnam and partied with the enemy of the States.
Ahh The sixties must of been a strange time. Real riots, protests, burning bras. The best mix of music from the Beatles, Doors, Hendrix, Clapton, Young, Led Zep, Cream, a young V. Morrison plus all the blues bands, what a time to be alive
Of corse no internet but now I rant so I'll stop.
regards
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Post by Srrh on Apr 24, 2003 8:02:01 GMT -5
Personally I think I am more of an Anarchist.(...) Now I have to go party Justan, you're my man This brother has got his priorities straight. I admire that in a Shamuist. Notice the "I HAVE to go"...fufilling his obligations...woaw, such self sacrifice... Here one at you. S....
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Post by justan on Apr 24, 2003 11:40:42 GMT -5
NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- Dixie Chicks lead singer Natalie Maines says she spoke against President Bush and war with Iraq last month out of frustration and regrets her choice of words, but she makes no apologies for thinking critically. "I'm not truly embarrassed that, you know, President Bush is from my state, that's not really what I care about," Maines says in an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer for "Primetime Thursday," airing 10 p.m. EDT Thursday. "It was the wrong wording with genuine emotion and questions and concern behind it. ... Am I sorry that I asked questions and that I just don't follow? No." At a March 10 concert in London, Maines told the audience in reference to Bush's push for military action against Iraq: "Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas." Maines and the Texas-based trio's other members -- Emily Robison and Martie Maguire, who are sisters -- also tell Sawyer the fallout was too harsh for the offense and they've always supported U.S. troops even though they questioned the war. "It's the people who have gone overboard, and done such irrational things that take you back to the days of book burning, that is a concern for me...," Maguire said. "We know some of our fans were shocked and ... upset. I totally understand it. My problem is, when does it cross the line? When is trashing Emily's property OK? When is writing a threatening letter OK?" Robison added that the band was now dealing with "bigger issues" than the loss of record sales. "I'm concerned about my safety. I'm concerned about my safety for my family," she said. "When you're getting death threats.... At our concerts this year, we have to have metal detectors, and to me that's just crazy. But we have to take precautions because this thing has gotten so out of control." The interview airs a week before they begin their U.S. tour May 1 in Greenville, South Carolina, and they appear nude on the May 2 issue of Entertainment Weekly, with epithets such as "Traitors" written on their bodies. The Dixie Chicks declined a request to be interviewed by The Associated Press. After Maines' remarks, radio stations began boycotting the Dixie Chicks, even though she publicly apologized for her statement in London. The song "Travelin' Soldier," which was No. 1 on Billboard's country charts around the time Maines made the remark, tumbled completely off the charts afterward. And sales of the group's latest CD, "Home," plummeted, although sales have rebounded slightly, according to Nielsen SoundScan, which tracks music sales. Even with the slide, however, "Home" remains the top-selling album on the Billboard country chart -- 19 weeks at No. 1 -- and No. 30 on the pop chart. Most of the shows on their tour had already sold out before Maines' comments. Their agent, Rob Light, was unavailable for comment Wednesday but told Billboard this week that of the 59 shows, only six have seats left and those are all 85 percent to 90 percent sold. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. Oh those crazy American Facists. They scare me! One Party(Political ), One Mind. Ours I need a drink
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Post by daSilva on Apr 24, 2003 12:32:23 GMT -5
Hahaha, plummeted sales but the album remains at number 1. Typical media bullshit.
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Post by Wycco on Apr 24, 2003 16:34:40 GMT -5
The radio show on during my lunch time ride home (Mika Gallagher)- is obsessed with attacking the Dixie Chicks...
Just like Limbaugh has one topic he STILL always goes on about (Clinton)- Gallagher (an ex-greenville native who went national) STILL blabs on attacking the Dixie Chicks all the time...
I wouldn't be suprised if the death threats are sent by Gallagher listeners- (if you believe a word he says- the Dixie Chicks are all avatars of Satan himself.)
I already mentioned the "We Hate The Dixie Chicks" concert he has arranged the same day here in Greenville that the Chicks kick of their national tour (Dixie Chick Ticket holders get in free).
So much for free speach... never seen so much hatred caused by one innocent little jab!
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Post by Danny Boy on Apr 25, 2003 2:56:20 GMT -5
NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- At a March 10 concert in London, Maines told the audience in reference to Bush's push for military action against Iraq: "Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas." London , it always brings the best out of people.
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Post by justan on Apr 25, 2003 9:11:46 GMT -5
IF SC keeps on trampling on the rights of the citizens and forming death squads(called Red Necks)then I think it's time to send in the troops to liberate and possibly cause a regime change.
This time there will be no lootings or revenge killings as the troops will be prepared for the power vaccum sure to follow. The very best of the Russian, French, and German military.
They will not leave until a truly democratic system is in place, with no outside interference.
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Post by justan on Apr 25, 2003 9:15:27 GMT -5
Below are two quotes. Your mission should you accept it is to determine the identity of the two people.
I will post the answers later
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children - not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women - not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.”
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Post by worthless on Apr 25, 2003 11:59:47 GMT -5
1) T. Roosevelt 2) Orwell, in 1984. (that's a guess?) My thought is that the Dixie Chicks have every right to voice their opinions on the President. But the freedom of speech doesn't protect them from backlash. They are entitled to speak their minds, but not entitled to have everyone agree with them. I would respect them more if they stood behind their comments. Maybe the backlash is because their music sucks. Just a thought.
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Post by CFF on Apr 25, 2003 13:38:39 GMT -5
re: Justan's Quiz:
First quote is from Theodore Roosevelt, and the second J.F.K
CFF
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Post by Brainiac on Apr 25, 2003 13:52:54 GMT -5
re: Justan's Quiz: First quote is from Theodore Roosevelt, and the second J.F.K CFF Aye, and if memory serves me correctly JFK said the 2nd quote... in Washington D.C, on the 10th June 1963, during his commencement address at American University. This was also the day, if memory serves, that congress passed the equal pay act of '63 and the day Elisabeth Shue was born (I delivered her myself). Thar ya have it... Impressed... My memory still works!
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Post by worthless on Apr 25, 2003 14:55:08 GMT -5
Hey 1 out 2 ain't bad....... ....for me, anyway I was gonna guess JFK, I swear!
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Post by justan on Apr 26, 2003 12:19:43 GMT -5
President Bush when asked about the Shites march for an Islamic state thought it was good that finally people were allowed to express their feelings without fear of repercussions. The question is, should a citizen of the United States be allowed less freedom to express their feelings.
A personal attack on the Pres instead of his policies was uncalled for and showed us her massive ego and ignorance. My opinion.
Boycotting,burning, or stomping on their products is fine but death threats and blacklists that's totally fascist and undemocratic.
If you're not with us you're against us. Not quite I think what they really mean is If you don't think and act like us then you are against us.
Duh Yeah That's what free choice is all, about isn't it? Not, at not least in Bush's version of America, hope I'm wrong.
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